Literally did elaborate, you are just being you as otherwise, none of that factored into the story and/or saved Scion or TWE in any fashion...
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Scion/Warrior Entity (Worm) vs Chaldea (FGO)
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Literally did elaborate, you are just being you as otherwise, none of that factored into the story and/or saved Scion or TWE in any fashion...
Then how did Grey Boy defeat either of them by simply talking shit until both killed themselves if they can do even remotely a fraction of what you are talking about?!
This is the same wank about Behemoth and Leviathan all over again in Spacebattles.
"Why did they lose in very specific circumstances leading to the character in question literally killing themselves"
Also, literal strawman. No one claimed that Scion has every power that the Warrior Entity does (this is explicitly not true to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the series) and no one said Chaldea has no chance whatsoever.
Also, literal strawman. No one claimed that Scion has every power that the Warrior Entity does (this is explicitly not true to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the series) and no one said Chaldea has no chance whatsoever.
"Why did they lose in very specific circumstances leading to the character in question literally killing themselves"
Also, literal strawman. No one claimed that Scion has every power that the Warrior Entity does (this is explicitly not true to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the series) and no one said Chaldea has no chance whatsoever.
That is literally not answering my question as how is that a specific circumstance that his mate is fucking dead? Is she suddenly not dead in a VS. debate now? Also, again, whose the one defending someone stating this:
Grey Boy threw a fucking phone THROUGH A PORTAL to TWE before stating that shit again, how is that special circumstances Paxton??? How, I want to know how TWE didn't instantly get the hookup through PTV well in advance and kill Grey Boy in picoseconds. Again, this is by what YOU are defending right now.
I'm going to say this once:
Just because something is stated, doesn't mean it's suddenly true if it's also contradicted in the story with nothing to show it ever existed.
I'm honestly being lazy about really clarifying what Novum Chaldea/Chaldea Antartica Base can do because if anything, I nor anyone else ever brought up the concept of... Rayshifting and if we are going by VS. debates, there would be no issues with Time Travel the Nasuverse has in any form so that vanishes real fucking fast which is basically a win condition for Chaldea regardless. I also didn't bring up how the Chaldea base is well protected against massive time paradoxes as well as literally having it's space overwritten by a Beast amongst other things. So how would PTV work against something that literally doesn't work on the same time axis as it? It's not fucking magic and that would still have limitations even for an Entity/Endbringer.
Do you even have the quote of this supposedly happening?
And what you even talking about? It's an explicit part of the story that every Shard/power (bar a couple exceptions) comes from the Warrior Entity.
Wtf is being contradicted?
"You have the source to tell you exactly how Scion and TWE was defeated in Worm?"
You suddenly need a source to tell you that simple shit? Or you are only suddenly trying to do the same thing you usually do because you can't actually answer my points?
You do realize I didn't even state the other bullshit Chaldea has at it's disposal which makes any chance of TWE winning moot even if we give it all the shit it "supposedly" has but never came up when it was absolutely needed(or even mattered for Scion itself)?
I didn't even mention SHEBA or TRISMEGIUSTUS II or any of that shit which makes it's "decision making and attacking process" completely meaningless.
Also Romulus Quirinus and other other Top Servant goes "lol" and murders it anyway while it uses those picoseconds to realize how fucked it is before it dies.
Because spoiler alert and I know people HATE when localization suddenly comes up but Servants have reaction capabilities of low microseconds to high nanoseconds(as the low end) and picoseconds may be higher reaction times but it suddenly doesn't make nanoseconds suddenly worthless.
TLDR: I asked you to provide evidence for your claim and once again you don't do that.
Yes, you do need to provide evidence for your claims when asked. That is how a debate works.
None of what you said here actually addresses the point that it only "lost" because it let itself lose.
It has those powers at its disposal.
Scion doesn't. Because Scion is a fraction of a fraction of the Entity and is the one who actually fights in canon.
Which doesn't apply in a vs scenario given both sides are willing to kill and the thread involves the whole Entity, not just Scion.
Yes, you do need to provide evidence for your claims when asked. That is how a debate works.
None of what you said here actually addresses the point that it only "lost" because it let itself lose.
It has those powers at its disposal.
Scion doesn't. Because Scion is a fraction of a fraction of the Entity and is the one who actually fights in canon.
Which doesn't apply in a vs scenario given both sides are willing to kill and the thread involves the whole Entity, not just Scion.
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No, it seems like you are basically running away from my points at all so you can attack my credibility instead which... yeah, that's not gonna work Mr. "I'm gonna take everything at face value even if it never happens onscreen or is contradicted in it's story".
Funny though as I do actually do synopsis work but apparently, it's always taken as a lie... even when it's later on to be true in plenty of places...
Which would include Worm specifically.
EDIT: You do know by the very logic you are stated, Arcueid is Universal by having a Macroverse inside of her right? Same with Kiara Sessyoin? You do realize the only reason why don't hop on that is precisely for the very thing I'm arguing against right? The very thing the OBD primarily does with things that are only stated and not shown right?
Again, TWE could have killed Grey Boy through that portal with his bitching woes by the statements in the story(Nay fuck that, the entire Solar System should be GONE) but that didn't happen either... yeah, so much for that Picosecond reaction time...
Things don't need to happen on-screen for them to be true, and that goes for every story. Statements are true unless explicitly contradicted in the story.
So I'll say it again: what specifically is contradicted? Because the Warrior Entity doesn't even fight in the story.
Scion does. And they run roughshod over literally everyone until they get Talk no Jutsu'd and kill themselves.
And by "Running away from my points" you mean.. I directly ask you to provide evidence for your claim when you don't do that.
Ironic.
I'll say it again: post the exact quote you're referring to or drop the claim entirely.
Because Gray Boy wasn't even part of Scion's defeat from what I can remember.
So I'll say it again: what specifically is contradicted? Because the Warrior Entity doesn't even fight in the story.
Scion does. And they run roughshod over literally everyone until they get Talk no Jutsu'd and kill themselves.
And by "Running away from my points" you mean.. I directly ask you to provide evidence for your claim when you don't do that.
Ironic.
I'll say it again: post the exact quote you're referring to or drop the claim entirely.
Because Gray Boy wasn't even part of Scion's defeat from what I can remember.
Pax, that is literally not how we do things... that's not even how Spacebattles does things...
Feats > Statements exists for a reason...
Yeah and then you and others ignored every other bit of info we got that clearly shows most of that shit in the story done by Scion wasn't done with use of PTV or anything, just it's brick abilities and Stilling. The creator even states Scion is too emotionally immature to use PTV even remotely correctly so what does any of this matter? And again, the "LTG Kill Yourself Meme" isn't a "Special Circumstance" because it's "mate" is dead before the beginning of the story and it canonically isn't even mentally all there to begin with.
No, I mean explicitly answer my points about dealing with Rayshifting, the Trismegiustus II, SHEBA, etc, etc.
I didn't need to address your "point" because all your "point" is asking literally how the character died... which I told you and you already know.
That's not how you debate in the first goddamned place, Paxton. You are right, it probably isn't Grey Boy because I'm sure that was the temporal guy but the way I stated it clearly meant the Insect user in the first goddamned place.
And you yourself ultimately agreed with my point anyway as you yourself stated he killed himself over "Talk No Jutsu".
You literally agree with my claim meaning that there is basis in it, I don't have to show you a damn thing if you already agree with the point itself.
It's pretty obvious you are weirdly biased against Scion/Worm.
Easy way to test that is if you agree with my first statement but not my second one.
Scion doesn't have or can't use all his 'supposed' powers cause he killed himself.
Gilgamesh doesn't have or can't use 'All the NPs' cause he lost to a baseline human with a buncha swords, (and Rho Aias).
Shirou fucking created Bakuya (or Kansho, idk) in front of Gilgamesh and chopped his hand clean off! How is that special circumstances Xhominid??? How??? I want to know how Gilgamesh even got hurt, he's got really strong armor yeah?, and why he didn't destroy Shirou and his UBW. He has like, all the NPs? Got a fancy Reality Marble destroying NP too? So how, in the ever living fuck did that happen???
How Xhominid????? How???
snort you're an adorably biased dum-dum Xhominid.
Easy way to test that is if you agree with my first statement but not my second one.
Scion doesn't have or can't use all his 'supposed' powers cause he killed himself.
Gilgamesh doesn't have or can't use 'All the NPs' cause he lost to a baseline human with a buncha swords, (and Rho Aias).
Shirou fucking created Bakuya (or Kansho, idk) in front of Gilgamesh and chopped his hand clean off! How is that special circumstances Xhominid??? How??? I want to know how Gilgamesh even got hurt, he's got really strong armor yeah?, and why he didn't destroy Shirou and his UBW. He has like, all the NPs? Got a fancy Reality Marble destroying NP too? So how, in the ever living fuck did that happen???
How Xhominid????? How???
snort you're an adorably biased dum-dum Xhominid.
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Pax
Did you create a dupe because Xhom wasn't paying enough attention to you
Did you create a dupe because Xhom wasn't paying enough attention to you
If you want to put it that way, then I "guess" I am bias against Scion/Worm... or if we are actually not trying to suddenly use statements and pretend that they matter far more than actually being done in the series itself, then no I'm not biased.
...I didn't realize I'm still in Reddit... I swore that I'm in One Last Forum, the place where the OBD resides.
Man, your entire argument is that I'm taking context out for Scion(even though I didn't outside of mistaking Grey Boy for Khepri) and deciding to do the same thing for Gilgamesh as if that somehow ruins all of my point, my cred and everything else...
Hey... newsflash, just because something is stated in the story doesn't mean it's true but this is:
Why did I bring something from TvTropes? Because this was ALSO brought up by Wildbow himself in the VSB subforum for Worm amongst plenty of other things we digged up. Then this whole time, you guys never once stated TWE never fought ONCE but apparently, just bringing up the motherfucker has massive issues from his "mate" dying is somehow a "special circumstance" despite it massively influencing it's character for the entire story?
So I'm lying that despite the fact it's emotionally too immature to use PTV correctly by the creator's own statement(Which IS put into the story as well), despite the fact that it doesn't plan and just beats shit to death with it's physical strength or Stilling, it can suddenly use every Shard correctly despite the fact it got ran off for far less by Eidolon and Glastig Uane and that wasn't even a good use of PTV as it only got saved because Eidolon was that desperate.
Nope.
I love how @Darth Zion already addressed the whole "too immature to use PTV correctly" part in the Zeus thread yet Xhom is still going on about it.
Oh wow, another strawman.
" it can suddenly use every Shard correctly despite the fact it got ran off for far less by Eidolon and Glastig Uane and that wasn't even a good use of PTV as it only got saved because Eidolon was that desperate."
No one in this thread said Scion was using every Shard in the story. (Also Eidolon has explicit resistance to PTV so uh.. lol?)
It's the Warrior Entity that does that, who is part of this thread.
" it can suddenly use every Shard correctly despite the fact it got ran off for far less by Eidolon and Glastig Uane and that wasn't even a good use of PTV as it only got saved because Eidolon was that desperate."
No one in this thread said Scion was using every Shard in the story. (Also Eidolon has explicit resistance to PTV so uh.. lol?)
It's the Warrior Entity that does that, who is part of this thread.
I mean, Gil's issue is that he never takes shit seriously until its too fucking late. thats an in character problem
you guys problem is that your arguing that the characters that are in character by default because thats how the OBD does things, if they arent mentioned then we go with the default, are gonna do shit they wouldnt normally do.
If yall wanna debate an out of character Scion/TWE or an out of character Gilgamesh then you need to ask to OP to turn off PIS/CIS so that they will actually do things they wouldnt normally do
fuck me, I mentioned how people need to do OP's properly so this kinda thing can be avoided in another thread.
@Salfarc
since its still early on in this thread you need to specify a couple of things
1. Where exactly is this fight happening, otherwise it defaults to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber
2. Does anyone have any knowledge of their opponents
3. Is there any preptime
4. In Character or not and whether PIS/CIS is on or off
im gonna lock the thread till this is fixed. Once its done, message me and ill unlock it
Yall gotta stop with the barebones OPs
Yeah the issue is what Xhom is saying just isn't true even in the story.
Scion doesn't need to be "emotionally mature" to use PTV in the first place when the whole point of the power is that it TELLS YOU WHAT TO DO.
Darth had this same discussion with him before.
Its not to use PTV, its to use PTV correctly
Because of PIS/CIS he didnt use it correctly and therefore he got bopped for it.
Like you can't claim this shit didnt happen since he, you know, died.
Take away PIS/CIS and he dumpsters his own verse 10/10 times casually
This shit isnt new and the fact yall niggas cant see that is cringe.
Gilgamesh is the same, he didnt EA shirou cause he was high on his own farts and didnt wanna use it. take away PIS/CIS and hes nuking that nigga off rip.