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VS Battle Star Optimus Prime vs Hell Godzilla

OtherGalaxy said:
Completely agree. This is where I really hope, even if accidentally, they lean into the 13 having so many identities it's incongruous. So sure sometimes The Arisen is Optimus and sometimes he's just not (counting Star Optimus as The Arisen for now since AOTP is using the Covenant roster evidenced by no Logos Prime or Last Autobot present)
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I don't think Logos is ever gonna appear in AOTP because they are using the Convenant of Primus roster with Star Convoy being the thirteenth prime.
 
OtherGalaxy said:
By far. It would eclipse Alternity by several orders of magnitude. Speaking from a lore perspective, I'm not against The Arisen as a concept being now one of the "Big 13" as opposed to the smaller non singularity ones, but I kinda also wish it wasn't necessarily always Optimus since him being some predestined god meshes weirdly with, well a lot of his storylines. Obviously those can just be non singularity instances but it's still weird if that makes sense
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how would he beat Alternity then? Wasn't Alternity an combination of all Optimus Primes in the multiverse?
 
Optimus Prime 654 said:
how would he beat Alternity then? Wasn't Alternity an combination of all Optimus Primes in the multiverse?
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not necessarily all of them, though it’s not a reach to assume that necessarily

but the 13 are so far beyond the Alternity via feats and abilities that this Optimus/the Arisen being retconned into being a singularity 13 would place him way higher. The Alternity aren’t acausal and can’t directly enter lower dimensions. Things like this are not restrictions the 13 have
 
OtherGalaxy said:
not necessarily all of them, though it’s not a reach to assume that necessarily

but the 13 are so far beyond the Alternity via feats and abilities that this Optimus/the Arisen being retconned into being a singularity 13 would place him way higher. The Alternity aren’t acausal and can’t directly enter lower dimensions. Things like this are not restrictions the 13 have
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man I didn't expect to see a version of Optimus who surpasses Alternity and MAYBE Cloud. Considering this is a normal G1 Optimus, but just amped up heavily to get cosmic or godlike abilities lmfao
 
Optimus Prime 654 said:
well thats a low end you can get. The twitter statements SOME are true, like some writers and designers even admitted to this. He is actually like multiversal or higher if we are using OBD Wiki since like God Mountain does transcend the material realm which is the IDW Godzilla multiverse, Godzilla scales above him.
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Those writer statements aren't acceptable here the same reason why the GOW ones aren't
1) the dude who said that only wrote one of the comics so there was no overall creator input
2) nothing on-screen backs any of this up
3) The questions he was asked were loaded and from brain-rot power-scalers
Q: "Is <Character in question> a multiversal level powerhouse who can solo fiction!!?!?!?"
A: "Uh...yeah sure whatever, buy my product"
When a character's best feats are based entirely on that then it's shoddy at best. It's the main reason why creator statements and databook listings are only a secondary canon source material because they don't give a shit about consistent power-scaling and often give contradicting info because they say what sounds neat (FTL Haku being the most infamous example)
Even vbw doesn't accept that which says a lot.

Hell Godzilla is Large Planet level and Relativistic and that's as high as he goes..
 
OrlandoSky said:
Those writer statements aren't acceptable here the same reason why the GOW ones aren't
1) the dude who said that only wrote one of the comics so there was no overall creator input
2) nothing on-screen backs any of this up
3) The questions he was asked were loaded and from brain-rot power-scalers
Q: "Is <Character in question> a multiversal level powerhouse who can solo fiction!!?!?!?"
A: "Uh...yeah sure whatever, buy my product"
When a character's best feats are based entirely on that then it's shoddy at best. It's the main reason why creator statements and databook listings are only a secondary canon source material because they don't give a shit about consistent power-scaling and often give contradicting info because they say what sounds neat (FTL Haku being the most infamous example)
Even vbw doesn't accept that which says a lot.

Hell Godzilla is Large Planet level and Relativistic and that's as high as he goes..
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OrlandoSky said:
OrlandoSky said:
Those writer statements aren't acceptable here the same reason why the GOW ones aren't
1) the dude who said that only wrote one of the comics so there was no overall creator input
2) nothing on-screen backs any of this up
3) The questions he was asked were loaded and from brain-rot power-scalers
Q: "Is <Character in question> a multiversal level powerhouse who can solo fiction!!?!?!?"
A: "Uh...yeah sure whatever, buy my product"
When a character's best feats are based entirely on that then it's shoddy at best. It's the main reason why creator statements and databook listings are only a secondary canon source material because they don't give a shit about consistent power-scaling and often give contradicting info because they say what sounds neat (FTL Haku being the most infamous example)
Even vbw doesn't accept that which says a lot.

Hell Godzilla is Large Planet level and Relativistic and that's as high as he goes..
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ngl i actually laughed on Ulises confirming the "IDW Megaverse" dosen't exist which is because just goons making shit up lmfao.
 
Flowering Knight said:
There was something posted in this forum about a version of Godzilla that basically achieves Nirvana and transcends into Suggsversal if that works :hestonpls
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thats the singularity point novel version which was written by the same guy who did Self Reference Engine, so it wouldn’t surprise me if that one turned out to be true, though not aware if it’s even been translated at all yet
 
If i am honest , Godzilla in hell (and Godzilla in general) is pretty lackluster in feats and its seems is more hype from his fandom.
Optimus crushes him.
 
OtherGalaxy said:
the author is Toh Enjoe
and the guy who got SRE recognition/did its respect threads on vsb and spacebattles is actually on here @Mr.OMG
I don’t think ultima was really involved
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The issue with the book about Godzilla is that it hasn’t even been translated into English. If you want to read it, you’ll need to use a A.I. translator (DeepSeek works better than ChatGPT in this case). In short, Godzilla is "IT," the primary current (not entirely sure what that means) embodying biological life. There’s also an A.I. that, in the future, could become another current capable of rivaling "IT." This is why Godzilla wants to destroy the human world. The story also involves hierarchy of dreams with multiverses containing archetypes (things interacting with higher dimensions) and so on.
:miketime
 
Mr.OMG said:
The issue with the book about Godzilla is that it hasn’t even been translated into English. If you want to read it, you’ll need to use a A.I. translator (DeepSeek works better than ChatGPT in this case). In short, Godzilla is "IT," the primary current (not entirely sure what that means) embodying biological life. There’s also an A.I. that, in the future, could become another current capable of rivaling "IT." This is why Godzilla wants to destroy the human world. The story also involves hierarchy of dreams with multiverses containing archetypes (things interacting with higher dimensions) and so on.
:miketime
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That's what I figured. It's not that I doubt Enjoe would give those feats to Godzilla so much as we just don't have a lot to go off as a community yet
 
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