I do think it's more likely junk isn't a bus driver tbh, soul could take himself and a teammate out of the game. being also able to bus drive means scum can effectively make 3 members of their team untargetable or near enough which sounds like a lotThey're two very different roles with different utility. A commute would fulfill the role of a blocker and a protective role in one. A busdrive could be a protective role, but would also serve to affect targets to bypass things like protection. There's absolutely no reason to assert that only one or the other can be on a scum team.
When has he not struggled as town? Like what is the difference exactly here? I realise that's not really a defence, but I see him be convinced to vote Soul (I.e. it doesn't come of his own volition entirely) and then stick to that based on his own thoughts.why not? he cud have easily been instructed to vote soul there. the soul wagon was definitely gonna pick steam. no reason for scum to assume poyser is gonna be louder than ultra and i combined. its good play for him to get on the right side of that flip
and ur not rly taking any of his other play into consideration. this guys clearly struggling with simple mafia 101 arithmetics
No, you went back to ISO me, just continue doing that.
The issue here is that you assume my motivation for not wanting to lynch into the Watcher claim is driven by survival, when really, it's simply that I don't think the argument on Soul is so strong that it's worth potentially losing the Watcher before they even get a result. I think there is a lot more info from that slot tomorrow that could be useful, including whether or not they get blocked, their target, etc. I'd rather risk it then than before.
Well my risk calculation is purely my own. While I think, optimally, giving him a night for results and then seeing what he says from there is better than lynching it now, it's purely a product of me being risk averse. I'm a bit surprised more people don't blink at it. But that's about it. Am I so concerned about the possibility of Soul being lynched that I'm going to demand we lynch Saber instead? Not really. Soul is more likely scum than town. I would say losing the town Watcher Day 1 would be a massive blow, but the likelihood of that is probably about a 3/10 here. And, I'm willing to vote there for a lynch, so my position doesn't even extend as far as no lynching the slot. I'm not really going to be pushing hard for what is, to me, most likely a matter of Scum A to Scum B, and merely a more suboptimal order of operations in regards to the potential risk factor (a VT over a Watcher says enough, I think).
There, I feel like I've explained myself adequately here. About 3 times over in this very post, actually.
Vote Lynch: SoulKiller
W/e
Soul could only do that once. I will agree that I don't really think Aurelian makes that post in defence of his teammate Sparkle, see it more likely as him doing it from a place of TMI. Not strongly convinced that that is the case, but I can absolutely see it.I do think it's more likely junk isn't a bus driver tbh, soul could take himself and a teammate out of the game. being also able to bus drive means scum can effectively make 3 members of their team untargetable or near enough which sounds like a lot
Absolute tripeSoul could only do that once. I will agree that I don't really think Aurelian makes that post in defence of his teammate Sparkle, see it more likely as him doing it from a place of TMI. Not strongly convinced that that is the case, but I can absolutely see it.
I'll help you - I had a scum read of Soul all the way from when I voted him to the end. I said that all along - I can see him being scum. Just that my conviction of him being scum was not so strong that I was willing to risk losing a Watcher Day 1.So, here's the thing. I don't know how you went from "I don't want to lynch watcher, it's risky" to "Soul is more likely scum than town" as he became more obvious lynch option.
I saw your posts defending your stance, I don't see how you ended up where you did.
But oh well. I think Boobies was onto something with you.
Dis sum bovine fecal excrement yoI'll help you - I had a scum read of Soul all the way from when I voted him to the end. I said that all along - I can see him being scum. Just that my conviction of him being scum was not so strong that I was willing to risk losing a Watcher Day 1.
If you had actually read my posts like you said you had, you would know this, because I said exactly this when I was asked about it by Ultra. So either you're lying about doing so, or you need to read again.
Vote: Aurelian
you voting to get a claim or are you down to flip aurelian without getting anything else from soul?
I'll start here @Sharter HolmesFormer, would rather lynch Soul. Wouldn't be wholly against lynching Aurelian if he refuses to claim etc though.
thoughts on yoho?Sussing ratchet doesn’t really make sense. He was around for the vast majority of the day, so there’s no way I could see soulkiller claiming his teammates role with him around lol.
Wouldn’t mind getting claims from yoho and Nibel. I keep forgetting about Nibel but I think he’s way different to what he is when town
If you have mech on him then just say "I have mech" and then yes he can claim.gonna skip ahead the next couple of NPC dialogues with you and request a claim here @Yoho
vote lynch yoho
also your thoughts on ratchet pls ^^
you sure we both played the same star war game ratchet?If you have mech on him then just say "I have mech" and then yes he can claim.
I did say yesterday that he feels a bit more NPC than he usually does - but I don’t really think he’s a priority atm considering his position on the wagon. He took up my offer to vote you, he could have just stuck with that. No real need to come off and then vote soul if they’re matesthoughts on yoho?
Here, I qualify my deliberation by saying I would like to give a Watcher "a night or so". At no point in this post do I say "I think Soul is town".I'm not actually so confident on this that I'd want to lynch into his claim without giving him a night or so.
My first post on my return. I'm not going to post my whole defence because I'd be here all night, but it's a point that no one has really been able to address yet for me - why, as scum with Soul, do I position myself on his wagon until he claims Watcher only to immediately unvote without even seeing his the claim is received. I lose nothing by waiting - I can simply sit back, and if some people jump off like I may reasonably expect, then I can join them. Instead, I just unvote. And I don't even really push an alternative, another aspect that is getting disregarded. If the goal here from me is to get my dying scum mate out of the lynch, I'd need to be pushing away from here, otherwise even if I win and get people to rethink lynching the Watcher, they'll just come back on in the absence of another compelling wagon.Wanted to finish catching up first but @Ultra is me being partnered with Soul really the first explanation you think of due to me... unvoting after he claims? Before I even see how his claim is received? Like does that make sense as a progression to you?
Gad used my ISO to suggest that I left the Soul wagon, and then joined on late suddenly certain about Soul. But as I'm going through here, I'm outlining the reason why I unvoted, which apparently someone who went through my ISO somehow missed. Remember the part where I said I wanted to give the Watcher "a Night or so". Here, I elaborate on that - the information that can be potentially be gleaned from what he claims. No one has addressed this, or whether it even makes sense.The issue here is that you assume my motivation for not wanting to lynch into the Watcher claim is driven by survival, when really, it's simply that I don't think the argument on Soul is so strong that it's worth potentially losing the Watcher before they even get a result. I think there is a lot more info from that slot tomorrow that could be useful, including whether or not they get blocked, their target, etc. I'd rather risk it then than before.
This runs contrary to Gad's characterisation. I said, right here, that I had a scum read of Soul from the off.Also, I wasn't just riding with Ultra in regards to Soul - I thought he could be scum from my own read of him, I just said it after Ultra.
At this point, I still had my vote on Saber. Does this read like someone trying to save their scum mate?I will say I don't like the timing of this post. Feels really self conscious, and not what I would associate with a townie who has just rolled over because he doesn't want to deal with it.
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