I'm not actually so confident on this that I'd want to lynch into his claim without giving him a night or so.
Here, I qualify my deliberation by saying I would like to give a Watcher "a night or so". At no point in this post do I say "I think Soul is town".
Wanted to finish catching up first but
@Ultra is me being partnered with Soul really the first explanation you think of due to me... unvoting after he claims? Before I even see how his claim is received? Like does that make sense as a progression to you?
My first post on my return. I'm not going to post my whole defence because I'd be here all night, but it's a point that no one has really been able to address yet for me - why, as scum with Soul, do I position myself on his wagon until he claims Watcher only to immediately unvote without even seeing his the claim is received. I lose nothing by waiting - I can simply sit back, and if some people jump off like I may reasonably expect, then I can join them. Instead, I just unvote. And I don't even really push an alternative, another aspect that is getting disregarded. If the goal here from me is to get my dying scum mate out of the lynch, I'd need to be pushing away from here, otherwise even if I win and get people to rethink lynching the Watcher, they'll just come back on in the absence of another compelling wagon.
The issue here is that you assume my motivation for not wanting to lynch into the Watcher claim is driven by survival, when really, it's simply that I don't think the argument on Soul is so strong that it's worth potentially losing the Watcher before they even get a result. I think there is a lot more info from that slot tomorrow that could be useful, including whether or not they get blocked, their target, etc. I'd rather risk it then than before.
Gad used my ISO to suggest that I left the Soul wagon, and then joined on late suddenly certain about Soul. But as I'm going through here, I'm outlining the reason why I unvoted, which apparently someone who went through my ISO somehow missed. Remember the part where I said I wanted to give the Watcher "a Night or so". Here, I elaborate on that - the information that can be potentially be gleaned from what he claims. No one has addressed this, or whether it even makes sense.
Also, I wasn't just riding with Ultra in regards to Soul - I thought he could be scum from my own read of him, I just said it after Ultra.
This runs contrary to Gad's characterisation. I said, right here, that I had a scum read of Soul from the off.
I will say I don't like the timing of this post. Feels really self conscious, and not what I would associate with a townie who has just rolled over because he doesn't want to deal with it.
At this point, I still had my vote on Saber. Does this read like someone trying to save their scum mate?
The problem with Gad's characterisation is that it can pretty much only come to be if you only look for the posts I vote in and then act as if the entirety of my position is contained within that. I think anyone who has actually ISO'd me can see that I made it very clear why I unvoted, and that it certainly wasn't because I read him town. Now, I do have my doubts as to whether Gad as scum chooses this angle to go for - I think he's fully capable as town to lie and sabotage his own play to make himself harder to read in the future. And in this case, I think he's basing the read off of sheeping Ultra, and to avoid admitting that, he's trying to pretend like he's done due diligence. There is a scum angle here too, where he as scum kills Ultra and then uses Ultra's legacy to push mislynches, but eh, that's not really the kind of scum play I expect from Gad. So between the two worlds, I'd say town probably more likely. I do feel the need though to evidence that if anyone actually does want to ISO me, my position should be crystal clear.
