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Emil said:
ok, be quiet then and dont push a useless alternative

u posting rn is more detrimental than not
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If me simply posting is stopping you from getting your lynch then maybe your push simply isn’t that good. Skill issue
 
Wanted to finish catching up first but @Ultra is me being partnered with Soul really the first explanation you think of due to me... unvoting after he claims? Before I even see how his claim is received? Like does that make sense as a progression to you?
 
Emil said:
could easily see atleast one in ratchet/poyser. comf bias says poyser but the way ratchet was playing mediator between us stuck to me

i was null on ratchet but i kinda did gloss over most of his posts this game. need a reread post soul flip
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What does this even mean lol. Playing mediator on two slots I read town is scummy now? Like what.
 
Ratchet said:
Wanted to finish catching up first but @Ultra is me being partnered with Soul really the first explanation you think of due to me... unvoting after he claims? Before I even see how his claim is received? Like does that make sense as a progression to you?
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Don't see why not, if you can reasonably justify it. It's a risk but helps get ahead of whatever momentum might end up there
 
Ultra said:
Would be funny if it's both and Ratchet's playing good cop while Poyser plays bad cop

:bjpenn
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I kinda hope this comes from town you

Actually I won't finish that thought. But come on Ultra, this is just level 1, everyone who disagrees with me is scum sort of thinking. I don't even really disagree, I'm just not so certain on Soul to lynch a Watcher claim day 1.
 
Ratchet said:
I kinda hope this comes from town you

Actually I won't finish that thought. But come on Ultra, this is just level 1, everyone who disagrees with me is scum sort of thinking. I don't even really disagree, I'm just not so certain on Soul to lynch a Watcher claim day 1.
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Don't find it all that likely, hence "it would be funny"
 
Ultra said:
Don't see why not, if you can reasonably justify it. It's a risk but helps get ahead of whatever momentum might end up there
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So your position is that, I immediately hop onto the Soul suspicion when I see it going there, knowing he has a good claim saved up so he can get out of it. I spend time goi g here and there until eventually supporting it, early. Okay, that checks out. Then, with me adequately positioned to look great off his lynch without even really pushing it myself, he claims. The obvious thing here to do would be to wait to see how the thread receives the claim before moving off of it - the reason for me to be holding out on his claim saving him would be to see how convincing it is. But I don't do that, I immediately try to change the tide, undoing all my good work up until that point.

And as part of this grand plan, I ensure Soul never actually interacts with me despite voting. Oops!

Like, if you were to argue that I was just botching this, I'd be like, eh whatever. But to try and construct this whole theory based on behaviour that is only ever self defeating is, I'm sorry to say, utter dreck Ultra. You'll probably never admit it, but charitably I'd say paranoia is driving you here.

For what it's worth, I absolutely can see Soul as scum still. Just not sure that it's so strong a case as to risk lynching Day 1. If he's the only other option then I'll vote him, but as of right now he wouldn't be my first choice.
 
But sure I'm not gonna hold it against you for not wanting to go Soul right away here so much as I can see an angle here where you could be scum, based on the play from both of you in relation to each other. Like I can see you feeling a bit obliged to hop on that Soul wagon while keeping your options open, and knowing that if it does come down to it he has a watcher claim to fall back on. Bits and pieces like you shrug wanting Ekko's claim, Soul not reacting to your push, etc inform this perspective
 
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So your position is that, I immediately hop onto the Soul suspicion when I see it going there, knowing he has a good claim saved up so he can get out of it. I spend time goi g here and there until eventually supporting it, early. Okay, that checks out. Then, with me adequately positioned to look great off his lynch without even really pushing it myself, he claims. The obvious thing here to do would be to wait to see how the thread receives the claim before moving off of it - the reason for me to be holding out on his claim saving him would be to see how convincing it is. But I don't do that, I immediately try to change the tide, undoing all my good work up until that point.

And as part of this grand plan, I ensure Soul never actually interacts with me despite voting. Oops!

Like, if you were to argue that I was just botching this, I'd be like, eh whatever. But to try and construct this whole theory based on behaviour that is only ever self defeating is, I'm sorry to say, utter dreck Ultra. You'll probably never admit it, but charitably I'd say paranoia is driving you here.

For what it's worth, I absolutely can see Soul as scum still. Just not sure that it's so strong a case as to risk lynching Day 1. If he's the only other option then I'll vote him, but as of right now he wouldn't be my first choice.
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saber claimed vt with an item, what u cooking with that
 
Ratchet said:
So your position is that, I immediately hop onto the Soul suspicion when I see it going there, knowing he has a good claim saved up so he can get out of it. I spend time goi g here and there until eventually supporting it, early. Okay, that checks out. Then, with me adequately positioned to look great off his lynch without even really pushing it myself, he claims. The obvious thing here to do would be to wait to see how the thread receives the claim before moving off of it - the reason for me to be holding out on his claim saving him would be to see how convincing it is. But I don't do that, I immediately try to change the tide, undoing all my good work up until that point.

And as part of this grand plan, I ensure Soul never actually interacts with me despite voting. Oops!

Like, if you were to argue that I was just botching this, I'd be like, eh whatever. But to try and construct this whole theory based on behaviour that is only ever self defeating is, I'm sorry to say, utter dreck Ultra. You'll probably never admit it, but charitably I'd say paranoia is driving you here.

For what it's worth, I absolutely can see Soul as scum still. Just not sure that it's so strong a case as to risk lynching Day 1. If he's the only other option then I'll vote him, but as of right now he wouldn't be my first choice.
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I mean, I think you can reasonably assume how most of the thread is going to react to a Watcher claim without scouting it out? I don't really think it's that self defeating to save a mate with a perfectly valid excuse? Maybe if you were the only one who attempted to save him in such a fashion.
 
Grammaton said:
Its what you said, i feel like his priority is his position. Theres nothing inherently blatantly scummy about what hes doing and hes generally very careful, but if you think back to the last game, day 1 he wanted either gad or poyser dead day 1, he was very clear and firm about it

Here i dont get the sense he gives a fuck, so long as the horizon looks good - and it does. We could easily lynch any of gad, aurelian, luka, junk, soul, saber ... whats the chances even 3 ofcthem are scum?

We play scum quite similarly, which is why i think i have a fairly decent grasp. Not saying im guaranteed right of course.
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What I will say to this I'm defence is last game, I had conviction Day 1, and then after Day 1, conviction on the opposite end (not fully, as I still had a scum read of Poyser, but I had what I felt was a pretty strong worldview off the back of Poyser being town). This game, I have no such conviction. I'm mostly intent to play supporting cast because I don't feel confident enough in my own directions. And I've had a few day 1's in a row where I've been wrong, so feel like I need to step back a bit.

I do see where this read comes from. Just think that you're conflating positional play with caution, the former being what I would be doing as scum, the latter being what I'm actually doing.
 
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