The blood moons (demon slayer) vs Phantom Troupe (hunterxhunter)
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pretty much all the troupe members should be small town level
was under the impression that was a bit higher than anything in KNY
plus they’ve got a big speed advantage
and Chrollo has Fun Fun Cloth
was under the impression that was a bit higher than anything in KNY
plus they’ve got a big speed advantage
and Chrollo has Fun Fun Cloth
MotherFcker Ultimate
Illustrious
i think some big fuck off explosion in demon slayer got small town or something, but i think it was also anime only iirc so idk
GoldenHeart
Illustrious
Aren't the Demon Slayer dudes inmortal to some extent?
MotherFcker Ultimate
Illustrious
yeah they only die if exposed to the sun or decapitated with a special metal that absorbs sunlight, otherwise they can quickly regen from basically anything
wisteria flower is also bad for them and i think you can kill them with wisteria based poisons?
wisteria flower is also bad for them and i think you can kill them with wisteria based poisons?
The series is propped up by Gyutaro, Doma, and Muzan's feats. Enmu's death is a distant 4th place. Hantengu's various forms have feats in the general ballpark of the train derailment and edging towards Gyutaro/Doma/Muzan's. Tengen's feat is difficult to gauge at best, and underwhelming at worst. Tanjirou splitting that boulder shouldn't be a highlight. Daki's feat should be more impressive than slicing the boulder, but the specifics of figuring out the surface area is too much of a pain in the ass for my liking because buildings are annoying like that. Both the Hand Demon Burrowing through the ground and the Spider Demon Swinging that tree should be comparable depending on how far and fast Tanjirou was sent flying. The strength of a Lower Moon's strongest and their overall durability is apparently several dozen times beyond Tanjirou's base strength in the Rui fight based on what he can cut with Water vs Sun Breathing. Rengoku derailing that train car is basically tacked on lacking for anything more notable.
Overall, somewhere in multi city block level once you hit the Hashira/Lower 1/Upper 6.
That's pretty much all she wrote. Sonic/Supersonic pretty early on with Kyogai's bullshit. Added consistency with Hantengu's various emotion clones blocking some bullets as does Kokushibo on top of Tanjirou once more dodging sound based bullshit. Potential for double digits mach from Tokito's feat of slicing up 10,000 projectiles before he can free fall about a meter or so and Kanroji slicing that demon art lightning. Can't really get anything out of the lightning from the "various" section.
Hantengu does get his body blown apart by bullets a few times with seemingly no response, but that could just as easily been the emotion clones being lazy/content in the demon slayers inability to know how to kill them yet. Wouldn't be the first fiction to drop the ball on staying consistent the entire run though.
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onelastforum.com Not completing this right now, but let's start from the Top
This first post is mostly just gathering shit I've already covered
Even then, it's incomplete because imgur's deciding to randomly be slow on me at the moment.
Chrollo Lucifer, The Phantom Troupe, Zeno Zoldyck, and Silva Zoldyck
So, of everyone to establish?
Chrollo is probably the most important.
Why?
Both Zeno and Chrollo did barely survive Silva's best attack
Silva is the head of the Zoldyck's at this point, his power should be comparable to or beyond his father's to have inherited that position from him
This is also implicit from the fact Silva was the one charging up the killing blow while Zeno played distraction
What's this mean for Silva?
Zeno's Dragon Dive was so powerful it heightened Pitou's already frighteningly powerful senses even further beyond their norm
The idea of fighting Morel (who was nominally more rested at this point, and this is only based on his assessment of Deep Purple) only excited Pitou, the Dragon was the most threatening thing he'd encountered... before running into Netero
Though even Pitou deemed the Dragon less dangerous than Netero
All the same?
Morel running on fumes has the nen to fuel his, presumably, strongest ability Smokey Jail to the point it eats Youpi's Rage Blast with no issues.
Back to the Dragon
Chrollo made note of the Dragon's power himself here too for what its worth, noting he doesn't have the defense to handle it (which frankly corroborates the notion he barely survived Silva's shit)
He's nicked by it once and eventually captured, drawing blood and slammed into the wall. All he can do as Zeno closes in is block Zeno's punches and ineffectually lance out a kick before Silva ends the fight.
You also have Zeno's knife hand strikes cutting Chrollo, Silva's strike can only be blocked and endured much like his Father's next emission attack, and Silva's next physical strike causes Chrollo further harm that he endures.
Both Zeno and Silva are comfortably beyond Chrollo physically, just not hilariously so to the point they could break his guard.
That said, its not until after all that Chrollo seems to employ Ken
Chrollo's durability and physical showings in this fight alone are broadly applicable to the rest of the Phantom Troupe given he's only in the middle (at 7th) in terms of physical strength (covered by Enhancement, obviously). From Machi onward they scale directly to his showings.
Bonolenov through to Shizuku are fractional (Shizuku the most so).
Bearing in mind, the gulf between Shizuku and up to Franklin seems comparatively insubstantial given her performance against Gon in Yorknew, regular Gon's performance vs a pissed off Gon's performance against Nobunaga (which, hey look, we see they have Nen Aura), and Nobunaga and Franklin getting into a fight when they first reached Yorknew that involved a drawn out physical clash with neither giving ground and both being somewhat injured afterward.
Chrollo may be the most dangerous or possess the most powerful Hatsu in the Troupe, but as far as anything related to Enhancing goes, he's mediocre in his own group of friends.
Post Rose Meruem
Knuckle's assessment of Meruem's power post Rose would suggest an entire Nation's military might needs called upon to take Meruem down as a result of him having gorged on 6/7ths of Pouf and Youpi (at least, I imagine he gave comparable power to Meruem).
The Rose is a hilariously common piece of military tech. The kind of power derived for the Rose is easily derived from Meruem's Rage Blast as it could have been Vaporization as well instead of pulverization.
He may or may not be as fast/some fraction of note as fast (worth noting, the same moment he used it and the moments following after included Hakoware disappearing due to Knuckle being KOed and Youpi just registered Meruem vanished) as his En (composed of Photons) after the Rose.
Pre Rose Meruem
How did he deal with the Rose?
Here's the Feat in its entirety and Result
Right here we have how Meruem enjoyed the experience.
He's strong enough to tear off his own arm, obviously without the use of Nen for his durability (if his intention was to injure himself, why the fuck would he amp himself?). Meruem's also strong enough to cause Pitou harm when he tried to decapitate them
Even before the Rose, he also had this kind of speed going for him.
Adult Gon
You can start to compare Adult Gon's kick, let alone his Jajanken, to Meruem's intention to decapitate Pitou and see how he compares to Meruem's own strikes too.
Gon's final Jajanken was something Gon had to tank (apparently he's just unconscious with long hair when Palm checks up on them)
Even that aside Adult Gon is Pre-Rose Meruem's peer from Pitou's evaluations
You could possibly argue for higher given how much energy Nanika had to use to remove the restriction Gon placed on himself. Note the reactions of Knuckle, Meleoron, Palm, and Ikalgo (the whole breaking out into a cold sweat, as does Morel for Nanika) to it in particular is similar to when he felt Meruem's Aura post-Rose.
Neferpitou, Shaiapouf, and Menthuthuyoupi
Pitou after eating one Jajanken Rock from Adult Gon is certainly unconscious and bloodied up, but still largely intact.
Even more impressive in terms of sheer durability is that it took several of the strongest attacks from someone on Pre-Rose Meruem's (or beyond's) level
Doubly impressive for Pitou is that Gon's final Jajanken was not only something Gon had to tank, but Pitou's body survived, only Tersichora seems to have been utterly destroyed
Pitou can rather casually break their own arm and cut off Adult Gon's Arm
They're this fast as shown here
Both Youpi and Pouf have taken similar strikes from Meruem as Pitou did.
And both Youpi's Rage Blast and Punch are covered here, they're both approximately equal in power.
Netero
His Ichi no Te, while not harming him/her/it, does physically overpower Pitou as an example of particular note
Also
Ichi no Te was strong enough to cause Meruem to spit blood where as the impact of San no Te was something he could endure and overpower once the attack had used up its considerable momentum. After Ichi no Te, no further attacks caused Meruem to so much as bleed until Zero gave him fairly significant damage. A dull ache, sure, but that took thousands of strikes beyond San no Te in power. Prior to Ichi no Te, Ren was not employed, that was Meruem's Nenless durability.
For Hyakushiki Kannon Kyuu Jyuu Kyuu no Te
As you can see, from first impact to the end, all he could do was block and be forced through the ground
Meruem blocks Netero's attack, but is physically overpowered by it, here and here
Meruem's able to perceive Netero's hand motions, if barely.
Netero's only move faster than Meruem is this hand movement here and here. If you have the 2nd image at its full size instead of fit to screen, you'll notice he got his arms up in time to block Ichi no Te from point blank range
Another example of blocking here
All examples where he goes on the attack against Netero, the force of his tackle is batted away and Meruem can do little more than block and try again because he's so sturdy.
His speed has already been linked here
This first post is mostly just gathering shit I've already covered
Even then, it's incomplete because imgur's deciding to randomly be slow on me at the moment.
Chrollo Lucifer, The Phantom Troupe, Zeno Zoldyck, and Silva Zoldyck
So, of everyone to establish?
Chrollo is probably the most important.
Why?
Both Zeno and Chrollo did barely survive Silva's best attack
Silva is the head of the Zoldyck's at this point, his power should be comparable to or beyond his father's to have inherited that position from him
This is also implicit from the fact Silva was the one charging up the killing blow while Zeno played distraction
What's this mean for Silva?
Zeno's Dragon Dive was so powerful it heightened Pitou's already frighteningly powerful senses even further beyond their norm
The idea of fighting Morel (who was nominally more rested at this point, and this is only based on his assessment of Deep Purple) only excited Pitou, the Dragon was the most threatening thing he'd encountered... before running into Netero
Though even Pitou deemed the Dragon less dangerous than Netero
All the same?
Morel running on fumes has the nen to fuel his, presumably, strongest ability Smokey Jail to the point it eats Youpi's Rage Blast with no issues.
Back to the Dragon
Chrollo made note of the Dragon's power himself here too for what its worth, noting he doesn't have the defense to handle it (which frankly corroborates the notion he barely survived Silva's shit)
He's nicked by it once and eventually captured, drawing blood and slammed into the wall. All he can do as Zeno closes in is block Zeno's punches and ineffectually lance out a kick before Silva ends the fight.
You also have Zeno's knife hand strikes cutting Chrollo, Silva's strike can only be blocked and endured much like his Father's next emission attack, and Silva's next physical strike causes Chrollo further harm that he endures.
Both Zeno and Silva are comfortably beyond Chrollo physically, just not hilariously so to the point they could break his guard.
That said, its not until after all that Chrollo seems to employ Ken
Chrollo's durability and physical showings in this fight alone are broadly applicable to the rest of the Phantom Troupe given he's only in the middle (at 7th) in terms of physical strength (covered by Enhancement, obviously). From Machi onward they scale directly to his showings.
Bonolenov through to Shizuku are fractional (Shizuku the most so).
Bearing in mind, the gulf between Shizuku and up to Franklin seems comparatively insubstantial given her performance against Gon in Yorknew, regular Gon's performance vs a pissed off Gon's performance against Nobunaga (which, hey look, we see they have Nen Aura), and Nobunaga and Franklin getting into a fight when they first reached Yorknew that involved a drawn out physical clash with neither giving ground and both being somewhat injured afterward.
Chrollo may be the most dangerous or possess the most powerful Hatsu in the Troupe, but as far as anything related to Enhancing goes, he's mediocre in his own group of friends.
Post Rose Meruem
Knuckle's assessment of Meruem's power post Rose would suggest an entire Nation's military might needs called upon to take Meruem down as a result of him having gorged on 6/7ths of Pouf and Youpi (at least, I imagine he gave comparable power to Meruem).
The Rose is a hilariously common piece of military tech. The kind of power derived for the Rose is easily derived from Meruem's Rage Blast as it could have been Vaporization as well instead of pulverization.
He may or may not be as fast/some fraction of note as fast (worth noting, the same moment he used it and the moments following after included Hakoware disappearing due to Knuckle being KOed and Youpi just registered Meruem vanished) as his En (composed of Photons) after the Rose.
Pre Rose Meruem
How did he deal with the Rose?
Here's the Feat in its entirety and Result
Right here we have how Meruem enjoyed the experience.
He's strong enough to tear off his own arm, obviously without the use of Nen for his durability (if his intention was to injure himself, why the fuck would he amp himself?). Meruem's also strong enough to cause Pitou harm when he tried to decapitate them
Even before the Rose, he also had this kind of speed going for him.
Adult Gon
You can start to compare Adult Gon's kick, let alone his Jajanken, to Meruem's intention to decapitate Pitou and see how he compares to Meruem's own strikes too.
Gon's final Jajanken was something Gon had to tank (apparently he's just unconscious with long hair when Palm checks up on them)
Even that aside Adult Gon is Pre-Rose Meruem's peer from Pitou's evaluations
You could possibly argue for higher given how much energy Nanika had to use to remove the restriction Gon placed on himself. Note the reactions of Knuckle, Meleoron, Palm, and Ikalgo (the whole breaking out into a cold sweat, as does Morel for Nanika) to it in particular is similar to when he felt Meruem's Aura post-Rose.
Neferpitou, Shaiapouf, and Menthuthuyoupi
Pitou after eating one Jajanken Rock from Adult Gon is certainly unconscious and bloodied up, but still largely intact.
Even more impressive in terms of sheer durability is that it took several of the strongest attacks from someone on Pre-Rose Meruem's (or beyond's) level
Doubly impressive for Pitou is that Gon's final Jajanken was not only something Gon had to tank, but Pitou's body survived, only Tersichora seems to have been utterly destroyed
Pitou can rather casually break their own arm and cut off Adult Gon's Arm
They're this fast as shown here
Both Youpi and Pouf have taken similar strikes from Meruem as Pitou did.
And both Youpi's Rage Blast and Punch are covered here, they're both approximately equal in power.
Netero
His Ichi no Te, while not harming him/her/it, does physically overpower Pitou as an example of particular note
Also
Ichi no Te was strong enough to cause Meruem to spit blood where as the impact of San no Te was something he could endure and overpower once the attack had used up its considerable momentum. After Ichi no Te, no further attacks caused Meruem to so much as bleed until Zero gave him fairly significant damage. A dull ache, sure, but that took thousands of strikes beyond San no Te in power. Prior to Ichi no Te, Ren was not employed, that was Meruem's Nenless durability.
For Hyakushiki Kannon Kyuu Jyuu Kyuu no Te
As you can see, from first impact to the end, all he could do was block and be forced through the ground
Meruem blocks Netero's attack, but is physically overpowered by it, here and here
Meruem's able to perceive Netero's hand motions, if barely.
Netero's only move faster than Meruem is this hand movement here and here. If you have the 2nd image at its full size instead of fit to screen, you'll notice he got his arms up in time to block Ichi no Te from point blank range
Another example of blocking here
All examples where he goes on the attack against Netero, the force of his tackle is batted away and Meruem can do little more than block and try again because he's so sturdy.
His speed has already been linked here
Gon, Killua, Kite, Knov, Knuckle, Morel, and Shoot (Chimera Ant)
Before training Gon and Killua combined were worth less than Kite with 1 Arm (Fresh off being born she fought and killed Kite who was powerful enough to moderately damage Pitou's body).
For reference being that Rammot was strong enough to physically overpower and hurt Killua and Gon without their Ren employed.
Upon utilizing their Ren, Rammot still holds the advantage, but finds himself being burnt by Killua's Narukami and suffers internal hemorrhaging from Gon's Jajanken Rock. Rammot with Nen is so much weaker than Pitou, just feeling Pitou's Aura cowed him.
Additionally, Kite was able to kill a Chimera Ant Squadron Leader (Squadron Leaders like Colt can eat Rammot's Nen Infused Punches with minor issues) in the time it took Gon to charge up Jajanken Scissors (at this time, Gon's regular punches were 10 times weaker than his Jajanken Scissors) and the power of his. A Squadron Leader like Leol pre-Nen infusing also determines he and his Squad Officers/Captains Hina and Flutter are right fucked were they to try taking Kite, Killua, and Gon. Additionally, Kite kites a few dozen Chimera Ant Officers in a single attack from dozens of meters away with his Grim Reaper's Dance: Silent Waltz. The Officers are not only peer to Rammot themselves (he being one of Colt's officers), but they can physically overpower Gon when he doesn't flair his Ren and he still has to struggle to halt Baro's momentum and crush him once he has flared his Ren in rage (while weaker than Razor's spike, obviously, the fact it caused Gon to struggle at all would afford Baro some fraction of note). Supposedly, the Chimera Ant Officer Killua mangles was 10 times stronger than Baro.
Before any kind of training, Gon and Killua can only hold their Ren/Ken for 55 minutes.
10 days into their month of training to defeat Knuckle and Shoot later, they've become able to hold their Ren/Ken with massive strain for 3 hours. In this state, even fatigued, Gon's Jajanken requires Knuckle use Ko on the area of impact to not be mortally wounded. He was still knocked the fuck out.
Bearing in mind that Knuckle is about as strong as Kite. Gon and Killua may or may not have seen much more than half Knuckle's strength when making this assessment.
Completing their training and he's roughly demonstrating durability and physical strength comparable to Knuckles. He grows as the fight continues, starting with requiring Ken to avoid Knuckle's punches KOing him to nearly winning were it not for his stamina running dry from comboing Jajanken. His Jajanken Paper being 1/4th the power of Rock.
Worth noting is that Killua and Gon have grown to the point that Rammot using Nen is able to beat the shit out of Killua while he's freaking out from Illumi's needle. Once the needle is removed Killua decapitates Rammot and crushes his skull. Puts their normal strikes in line with the power Gon's Jajanken displayed before training vs Rammot.
Additionally Morel is sweating bullets at the prospect of Gon hitting him (while not directly applicable to his physical stats, his Nen is powerful enough with his strongest ability to eat Youpi's rage blasts while he running on fumes). Morel himself can eat a kick from Pouf and is mortally wounded by a slash from Rage Incarnate Youpi (though obviously, were Morel significantly less durable, the physical strike from a Youpi that had perfected channeling the power of his rage should have reduced him to mist). Knov is Morel's equal too.
Anyway
Afterward Gon's Jajanken convinces Meleoron to gamble on using him to assassinate Meruem at first. Meleoron may not have an accurate bead on Meruem, his senses shouldn't be any less worthwhile than this ass clown's who was cowed by a recently born Pitou's Nen. Peon level strength or not, he had to be high ranking for some reason. Doesn't hurt he would have needed to eat Rammot's Nen Infused Punch in order to gain the power of Nen to start with (all Officers and Squadron Leaders are at least this durable at any rate without Nen).
Bearing in mind, even without Nen amping him, Netero's Ichi no Te only caused Meruem to spit blood.
Also even before becoming Adult Gon, Killua notices Pitou seems well aware Gon as he currently is could take him/her if they weren't using Nen
Worth considering here is Killua's performance vs Youpi with Kanmaru and such. Bearing in mind, with how Nen works, if Killua's nen behind his attacks didn't surpass Youpi's defensive Nen, Kanmaru would have done fuck all to effect him.
By the time of the Palace Invasion, he's not much slower, if at all than, the Royal Guards as Pitou without Nen was utterly powerless to do anything should Gon decide to attack (hence placating his ass by breaking their arm, all that begging, and their utter inability to act to protect Komugi from being taken hostage despite close proximity both before getting their nen back and directly after they finished healing her and getting their Nen back to use)
He was also able to track 6/7ths of Pouf leaving the room when he decided to run to Meruem
I'll add Shoot later, but here's his album again at any rate for now.
Genthru, Gon, Killua, and Razor (Greed Island)
Razor and Genthru's Album
Let's start with Razor.
We're informed Razor's supposed to go all out on Gon per Ging's request.
Through usage of Ko, Gon proves able to eat Razor's throw with minor injury. Without Ko, Hisoka suffers a pair of broken fingers catching a lob from one of Razor's Nen Players (bearing in mind, they're able to catch Razor's throw with both hands, ergo the throw from these would at least be half as strong as Razor's).
Gon's first Jajanken Rock is comparable to one of Razor's throws. Increasing it's power, Razor proves able to match Gon's second Jajanken in power.
Even without Nen protecting his hands, Killua's able to at least endure all Gon's Jajanken with only breaking his hands. For comparison too? Tseguerra who's roughly comparable to both Gon and Killua could have feasibly endured the force of Jajanken by protecting his hands at the last second.
Razor restores expended Aura to deliver a full powered Spike. Individually, Gon, Hisoka, and Killua had enough power to compete with the ball, but not enough to cover every base they needed to catch it, block it, keep in bounds, and not get their chests caved in as explained here
Razor was confident he could catch Gon's ball if the power behind was like the second one he fired, but Gon further increased his power. At any rate, Gon by this point had comparable power to Razor's spike (bearing in mind, all his throws and his spike aren't his Hatsu... that'd be what he used to destroy the Phantom Troupe's boat). This being so as while Razor was in no danger of Jajanken hurting him, he couldn't catch it, eat it, and stay in bounds all at once. Thus he chose to redirect it. During this, Razor and Hisoka demonstrate that they seem to be physically comparable enough anyway
And Hisoka's the 3rd physically strongest behind Phinks and Uvogin. Obviously, he scales to everything Chrollo brings to the table.
Additionally, Phinks was incredibly wary of Razor and considered him tough.
As for Genthru?
His Little Flower is arguably as powerful or beyond Gon's Jajanken Rock given what it did to Gon's Nenless hand (bearing in mind, Little Flower per each hand had about 25% of Genthru's Aura per his diagram) compared to what Gon's Jajanken could do to Killua, Gon's peer.
Its just constrained to a minor AOE
The entire fight was Gon taking a beating, needing to use 90% of his Aura in his extremities to ensure they took little damage from Little Flower. Genthru was still outright better. Gon just had tactics and Genthru's gradual escalation of threat on his side to give him time to win.
Both the 70% Ko/Gyo kick and the last Jajanken Rock say much about how good Genthru's durability is without much or any Nen protection too fyi.
Again, this is the same Gon that is comparable to Killua with and without Nen, and has with Ko taken shit comparable to his Jajanken to the face and even outright blocked shit beyond even his best one.
Gon, Killua, Kurapika, and Uvogin (Yorknew)
So, for Yorknew? As covered in first post with Chrollo?
Bearing in mind, the gulf between Shizuku and up to Franklin seems comparatively insubstantial given her performance against Gon in Yorknew, regular Gon's performance vs a pissed off Gon's performance against Nobunaga (which, hey look, we see they have Nen Aura), and Nobunaga and Franklin getting into a fight when they first reached Yorknew that involved a drawn out physical clash with neither giving ground and both being somewhat injured afterward.
Right, and Killua can sort of contend with (this fourth image being his best showing) with Phinks and while Machi can also do well to restrain his ass. While Killua was able to stab through Machi's chest, that's more attributable to his sharp naisl than raw strength alone. Also, bear in mind, while he escaped Phinks' grip? He had to severely injure his ankles where Phinks was gripping to do so while Phink's suffered no harm, just mild surprise.
Its in line with Shizuku being able to cut up a Chimera Ant Captain like Pike after gaining Nen at any rate. She's strong enough to give it cuts, but probably not without the use of the sharper bits of Blinky. Bearing in mind Pike even before Nen was eating Ko punches from Pokkle (just notable given comparison to Rammot being both Officers and shit).
Let's also add in Uvogin and Kurapika
Kurapika broke his arm blocking Uvogin's full powered strike and only handled 20% with absolutely no harm caused
50% never even had the chance to connect
Uvogin in Zetsu only suffered internal hemorrhaging and at least a fractured/broken arm (think that's what the "krak" sfx would be for anyway) from Kurapika's Ko strikes
So good feats for both given Uvogin's placement on the Arm Wrestling Tier related to Chrollo.
Gon and Killua (Heaven's Arena)
I'll just post the Album for now, can't bother linking shit.
Worth noting is this Hisoka is still stronger than Greed Island Killua and would therefore be afforded the kind of durability Killua possesses without Nen too.
It contextualizes Gon being able to bloody up Hisoka's mouth through multiple punches at any rate as we have no fucking clue how much Aura Hisoka was holding back in this fight.
Before training Gon and Killua combined were worth less than Kite with 1 Arm (Fresh off being born she fought and killed Kite who was powerful enough to moderately damage Pitou's body).
For reference being that Rammot was strong enough to physically overpower and hurt Killua and Gon without their Ren employed.
Upon utilizing their Ren, Rammot still holds the advantage, but finds himself being burnt by Killua's Narukami and suffers internal hemorrhaging from Gon's Jajanken Rock. Rammot with Nen is so much weaker than Pitou, just feeling Pitou's Aura cowed him.
Additionally, Kite was able to kill a Chimera Ant Squadron Leader (Squadron Leaders like Colt can eat Rammot's Nen Infused Punches with minor issues) in the time it took Gon to charge up Jajanken Scissors (at this time, Gon's regular punches were 10 times weaker than his Jajanken Scissors) and the power of his. A Squadron Leader like Leol pre-Nen infusing also determines he and his Squad Officers/Captains Hina and Flutter are right fucked were they to try taking Kite, Killua, and Gon. Additionally, Kite kites a few dozen Chimera Ant Officers in a single attack from dozens of meters away with his Grim Reaper's Dance: Silent Waltz. The Officers are not only peer to Rammot themselves (he being one of Colt's officers), but they can physically overpower Gon when he doesn't flair his Ren and he still has to struggle to halt Baro's momentum and crush him once he has flared his Ren in rage (while weaker than Razor's spike, obviously, the fact it caused Gon to struggle at all would afford Baro some fraction of note). Supposedly, the Chimera Ant Officer Killua mangles was 10 times stronger than Baro.
Before any kind of training, Gon and Killua can only hold their Ren/Ken for 55 minutes.
10 days into their month of training to defeat Knuckle and Shoot later, they've become able to hold their Ren/Ken with massive strain for 3 hours. In this state, even fatigued, Gon's Jajanken requires Knuckle use Ko on the area of impact to not be mortally wounded. He was still knocked the fuck out.
Bearing in mind that Knuckle is about as strong as Kite. Gon and Killua may or may not have seen much more than half Knuckle's strength when making this assessment.
Completing their training and he's roughly demonstrating durability and physical strength comparable to Knuckles. He grows as the fight continues, starting with requiring Ken to avoid Knuckle's punches KOing him to nearly winning were it not for his stamina running dry from comboing Jajanken. His Jajanken Paper being 1/4th the power of Rock.
Worth noting is that Killua and Gon have grown to the point that Rammot using Nen is able to beat the shit out of Killua while he's freaking out from Illumi's needle. Once the needle is removed Killua decapitates Rammot and crushes his skull. Puts their normal strikes in line with the power Gon's Jajanken displayed before training vs Rammot.
Additionally Morel is sweating bullets at the prospect of Gon hitting him (while not directly applicable to his physical stats, his Nen is powerful enough with his strongest ability to eat Youpi's rage blasts while he running on fumes). Morel himself can eat a kick from Pouf and is mortally wounded by a slash from Rage Incarnate Youpi (though obviously, were Morel significantly less durable, the physical strike from a Youpi that had perfected channeling the power of his rage should have reduced him to mist). Knov is Morel's equal too.
Anyway
Afterward Gon's Jajanken convinces Meleoron to gamble on using him to assassinate Meruem at first. Meleoron may not have an accurate bead on Meruem, his senses shouldn't be any less worthwhile than this ass clown's who was cowed by a recently born Pitou's Nen. Peon level strength or not, he had to be high ranking for some reason. Doesn't hurt he would have needed to eat Rammot's Nen Infused Punch in order to gain the power of Nen to start with (all Officers and Squadron Leaders are at least this durable at any rate without Nen).
Bearing in mind, even without Nen amping him, Netero's Ichi no Te only caused Meruem to spit blood.
Also even before becoming Adult Gon, Killua notices Pitou seems well aware Gon as he currently is could take him/her if they weren't using Nen
Worth considering here is Killua's performance vs Youpi with Kanmaru and such. Bearing in mind, with how Nen works, if Killua's nen behind his attacks didn't surpass Youpi's defensive Nen, Kanmaru would have done fuck all to effect him.
By the time of the Palace Invasion, he's not much slower, if at all than, the Royal Guards as Pitou without Nen was utterly powerless to do anything should Gon decide to attack (hence placating his ass by breaking their arm, all that begging, and their utter inability to act to protect Komugi from being taken hostage despite close proximity both before getting their nen back and directly after they finished healing her and getting their Nen back to use)
He was also able to track 6/7ths of Pouf leaving the room when he decided to run to Meruem
I'll add Shoot later, but here's his album again at any rate for now.
Genthru, Gon, Killua, and Razor (Greed Island)
Razor and Genthru's Album
Let's start with Razor.
We're informed Razor's supposed to go all out on Gon per Ging's request.
Through usage of Ko, Gon proves able to eat Razor's throw with minor injury. Without Ko, Hisoka suffers a pair of broken fingers catching a lob from one of Razor's Nen Players (bearing in mind, they're able to catch Razor's throw with both hands, ergo the throw from these would at least be half as strong as Razor's).
Gon's first Jajanken Rock is comparable to one of Razor's throws. Increasing it's power, Razor proves able to match Gon's second Jajanken in power.
Even without Nen protecting his hands, Killua's able to at least endure all Gon's Jajanken with only breaking his hands. For comparison too? Tseguerra who's roughly comparable to both Gon and Killua could have feasibly endured the force of Jajanken by protecting his hands at the last second.
Razor restores expended Aura to deliver a full powered Spike. Individually, Gon, Hisoka, and Killua had enough power to compete with the ball, but not enough to cover every base they needed to catch it, block it, keep in bounds, and not get their chests caved in as explained here
Razor was confident he could catch Gon's ball if the power behind was like the second one he fired, but Gon further increased his power. At any rate, Gon by this point had comparable power to Razor's spike (bearing in mind, all his throws and his spike aren't his Hatsu... that'd be what he used to destroy the Phantom Troupe's boat). This being so as while Razor was in no danger of Jajanken hurting him, he couldn't catch it, eat it, and stay in bounds all at once. Thus he chose to redirect it. During this, Razor and Hisoka demonstrate that they seem to be physically comparable enough anyway
And Hisoka's the 3rd physically strongest behind Phinks and Uvogin. Obviously, he scales to everything Chrollo brings to the table.
Additionally, Phinks was incredibly wary of Razor and considered him tough.
As for Genthru?
His Little Flower is arguably as powerful or beyond Gon's Jajanken Rock given what it did to Gon's Nenless hand (bearing in mind, Little Flower per each hand had about 25% of Genthru's Aura per his diagram) compared to what Gon's Jajanken could do to Killua, Gon's peer.
Its just constrained to a minor AOE
The entire fight was Gon taking a beating, needing to use 90% of his Aura in his extremities to ensure they took little damage from Little Flower. Genthru was still outright better. Gon just had tactics and Genthru's gradual escalation of threat on his side to give him time to win.
Both the 70% Ko/Gyo kick and the last Jajanken Rock say much about how good Genthru's durability is without much or any Nen protection too fyi.
Again, this is the same Gon that is comparable to Killua with and without Nen, and has with Ko taken shit comparable to his Jajanken to the face and even outright blocked shit beyond even his best one.
Gon, Killua, Kurapika, and Uvogin (Yorknew)
So, for Yorknew? As covered in first post with Chrollo?
Bearing in mind, the gulf between Shizuku and up to Franklin seems comparatively insubstantial given her performance against Gon in Yorknew, regular Gon's performance vs a pissed off Gon's performance against Nobunaga (which, hey look, we see they have Nen Aura), and Nobunaga and Franklin getting into a fight when they first reached Yorknew that involved a drawn out physical clash with neither giving ground and both being somewhat injured afterward.
Right, and Killua can sort of contend with (this fourth image being his best showing) with Phinks and while Machi can also do well to restrain his ass. While Killua was able to stab through Machi's chest, that's more attributable to his sharp naisl than raw strength alone. Also, bear in mind, while he escaped Phinks' grip? He had to severely injure his ankles where Phinks was gripping to do so while Phink's suffered no harm, just mild surprise.
Its in line with Shizuku being able to cut up a Chimera Ant Captain like Pike after gaining Nen at any rate. She's strong enough to give it cuts, but probably not without the use of the sharper bits of Blinky. Bearing in mind Pike even before Nen was eating Ko punches from Pokkle (just notable given comparison to Rammot being both Officers and shit).
Let's also add in Uvogin and Kurapika
Kurapika broke his arm blocking Uvogin's full powered strike and only handled 20% with absolutely no harm caused
50% never even had the chance to connect
Uvogin in Zetsu only suffered internal hemorrhaging and at least a fractured/broken arm (think that's what the "krak" sfx would be for anyway) from Kurapika's Ko strikes
So good feats for both given Uvogin's placement on the Arm Wrestling Tier related to Chrollo.
Gon and Killua (Heaven's Arena)
I'll just post the Album for now, can't bother linking shit.
Worth noting is this Hisoka is still stronger than Greed Island Killua and would therefore be afforded the kind of durability Killua possesses without Nen too.
It contextualizes Gon being able to bloody up Hisoka's mouth through multiple punches at any rate as we have no fucking clue how much Aura Hisoka was holding back in this fight.
Have fun picking all this apart, I'm just posting citations~
Not sure how well his cancer blood would work. Would probably require he even be able to penetrate their skin to do so though.
I would hand it to the Phantom Troupe more often than not.