@Ratchet this is what makes me feel at easeComes off genuine to me TBH, feel like as scum he just sticks to his principle. Don't see what he gains from voting Poyser there. Not like hell get credit for it later if Poyser is his mate and flips scum. He admits he's voting a town read
Champ probably town imo
A pretty big caveat there is that this is literally my first game with him. I want to be fair to ratchet and give his direction some support as that'll also help me read him, hence I am voting champ now@Ratchet this is what makes me feel at ease
As for reads list I'll admit I've been so out of it this game that I don't trust myself to readlist any significant proportion of the full player list
So I'm confused. You like this point, where he town reads him, but you want Champ to claim and I assume you're fine with the wagon on him? Where do you stand on Champ exactly?@Ratchet this is what makes me feel at ease
As for reads list I'll admit I've been so out of it this game that I don't trust myself to readlist any significant proportion of the full player list
?i dont know if im just pure shit this game or what
Probtown, should claim for Game Progression's sake, am fine with people voting on it provided they get off when claim has happened (given that the same CP is on it)So I'm confused. You like this point, where he town reads him, but you want Champ to claim and I assume you're fine with the wagon on him? Where do you stand on Champ exactly?
To follow up on my questioning, where do you stand on Poyser's alignment here?Probtown, should claim for Game Progression's sake, am fine with people voting on it provided they get off when claim has happened (given that the same CP is on it)
The last time you said this, you were scumA pretty big caveat there is that this is literally my first game with him. I want to be fair to ratchet and give his direction some support as that'll also help me read him, hence I am voting champ now
Could go either way, there's every possibility that both Ultra/Poy and Haza/Poy were t/t in the end. My thoughts are dominated by the fact that Junk seemed to have him as scum and yet seemed to doubt herself again and again, in a really unnatural looking wayTo follow up on my questioning, where do you stand on Poyser's alignment here?
abiwityI'd also like to step back a bit in regards to the double vote, due to being reminded of it thanks to Gad. Why does Poyser, as scum, introduce this element on a day where he probably expects to get lynched? An extra vote doesn't help anything, and it again adds an element to his claim that gives cause to doubt him, because he's suggesting he has nothing to do with it, so unless he is going out of his way to make it as hard as possible to survive today for WIFOM purposes I really don't understand what angle he's supposed to be taking here as scum. If it's a scum abiwity it's either entirely optional or something he would have claimed anyway.
I think Gad is scum btw.
So then I have to ask why you think what CP brought up on Champs is clearing/justifying a town read there for you. Because what CP brought up only works as clearing should Poyser be Mafia, and if you don't really think he's Mafia, then by CP's own admission it's lessened.Could go either way, there's every possibility that both Ultra/Poy and Haza/Poy were t/t in the end. My thoughts are dominated by the fact that Junk seemed to have him as scum and yet seemed to doubt herself again and again, in a really unnatural looking way
Whatabiwity
I think if Poyser is scum, the chances of her being scum skyrocket. I remember she had some strange posts that seemed to be defending Poyser, and I still kinda haven't wrapped my head around why she thought Ultra/Poyser weren't s/s at the time, though it could simply be she was operating with TMI. Also her contributions towards the latter half of d1 were just bizarre. Probably need to look at those again and see if that's all they were or if they were actively scummy.Theory time. Sky made a post about Sparkles pre-instigating a Boobies/Poyser fued only if she's aligned with one of them. Thoughts on Sky setting herself up for town credit in case Sparkles got yeeted early again? Not a solid theory but thoughts on Sky please
I don't not think he's scum, read againSo then I have to ask why you think what CP brought up on Champs is clearing/justifying a town read there for you. Because what CP brought up only works as clearing should Poyser be Mafia, and if you don't really think he's Mafia, then by CP's own admission it's lessened.
I don't think she needs Poyser to be scum to be more likely scum on this basis though. Doesn't seem too likely to me that that's how they would play it. She can be scum on her own merits and I would argue that the soft defences as you outline she made on Poyser could very easily come from scum towards a townie.I think if Poyser is scum, the chances of her being scum skyrocket. I remember she had some strange posts that seemed to be defending Poyser, and I still kinda haven't wrapped my head around why she thought Ultra/Poyser weren't s/s at the time, though it could simply be she was operating with TMI. Also her contributions towards the latter half of d1 were just bizarre. Probably need to look at those again and see if that's all they were or if they were actively scummy.
I read it fine. You said he could go either way. Which to me means that you have no clear leaning, either scum or town. But you support a read on Champs that only fully works as a town read when you come from the angle of Poyser being scum. That's the issue I have with your statement. You fully endorse a reas that, while it would be a stretch to say relies upon a specific outcome, it certainly leans into one, yet when asked about where you stand on that specific outcome, you don't have an opinion either way.I don't not think he's scum, read again
Is this seriously the best way you could think of to use that role?I cant take VP away no lol.
Can confirm I also had no idea what you were on aboutYeah, this man is scum lol. You can’t seriously question what I was saying here.
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