The Elder Scrolls vs Shin Megami Tensei vs Xenogears

[Type-Rey]

TES has the Eternal Champion. GG.

My Champion.

Ebony gear + plate gear=nice aesthetics

 

[Aurelian]

Gave a boost to lucifer and the Nahobinos introduced in the game, since you have to be strong enough to take the Throne and kill whoever's currently on it so you can take over as ruler.

V lucifer is strong enough to kill Ed Bighead and take his place on the Throne and each of the major Nahobinos pushing their Not!Reason was a solid contender for the Throne. Shiva is implied to be stronger since he just fucks off from the plot to start the Tandava, and Bino has some form of Parity to Hitoshura based off their performance in the King of Demons DLC

There was also Stephen Hawking being able to pull everyone across all the multiverses in SMT V.

 

[Aurelian]

YHVH a nigh-omnipotent god is able to constantly create, destroy and recreate billions of universes in a blink of an eye at once across the Amala Universe which his avatars control. Amala Universe is a mere testing ground of creation that his avatar empowers and administers. Conception occurs across countless amount of universes within the Amala Universe as does the existence of his weaker avatar, Kagakatuschi in the Vortex Universe or worlds even outside of that. Vortex worlds are countless in numbers compared to the billions of ones constantly being destroyed and created in the Amala Universe itself. YHVH is capable of inducing a death time-loop on his victim. Such as Aleph, that constantly reincarnates and then kills him, across the vast expanse of the Amala Universe for eternity. After every different death, he is then reincarnated to suffer again for committing the ultimate sin against YHVH.

YHVH isn't even doing that in the Amala Universe, that's his chief avatar, Kagutuschi and the subordinate Kagutuschis which rule over each universe/Conception. That shit is so down on the totem pole to Ed Bighead he doesn't care, not that he doesn't scale to it, just that its minuscule to in importance to him. Metatron even at his weakest, would slap the shit out of the main Kagutsuchi and the same one got literally OHKO'd by Demiurge/Baby YHVH post-loss to the Mothers in Strange Journey.

at face value the Aurbis alone sounded pretty similar to how the dark tower's cosmology works and we usually have that among the strongest series here, but I'm not an expert on TES just going off what I had seen in past threads

The Aurbis feat was replicated by Mem Alpeh while she was sleeping in the Schwarzewelt in Strange Journey. Each layer was an infinitely sized dimension and its realm, as its own universe, that was larger paradoxically then the preceding ones. Arthur and Zelenin even confirm this in the game's story early on that there are more layers to the Schwarzewelt then they actually directly encounter or interact with (Horogrim for example is noted being made up of countless sub-dimensions, time-space pockets and infinite loops) and Mem Alpeh, in her weaker form, while sleeping, is keeping all that power in generating them.

"The simple explanation goes like this... We thought the Schwarzwelt was a multilayered structure connected by quantum tunnels. The thing is... There's a trap preventing us from escaping. If we keep going through the tunnel, it's an infinite loop. In other words... No matter how far we climb, we can't reach the top. Before we know it, we're back at the start. It's like an infinite stairway... A pretty nasty trick of space-time." - Kato/Strange Journey

I will now explain what observed data we have on the Schwarzwelt's inner structure. The Schwarzwelt is a natural phenomenon that arose in the South Pole some months ago. But this phenomenon is one of a kind. We have nothing of it's like to compare it to.

You may have heard false reports that it is a giant blizzard, but in truth...It is an unknown spatial anomaly that destroys and absorbs its surroundings as it enlarges. When it first appeared, it was a cylinder only one meter in diameter that stretched to the sky. Since then, it has spread radially, swallowing surrounding observation bases and any investigators whole. Today, it occupies a sizable footprint with a radious of several hundred kilometers.

As we speak, the Schwarzwelt continues to expand...If we cannot engineer a reversal of the process, then it will inevitably swallow the Earth. According to data retrieved from the unmanned probes dispatched prior to this investigation...There is a several thousand meter wall surrounding the Schwarzwelt's outer rim. This barrier is a plasma cloud that dismantles all approaching objects at a molecular level.

You may be surprised to learn that the interior contains parallel universes, or other dimensions. Unfolding within the anomaly is a bizarre landscape we've had a hard time getting readings on. This is due to some sort of property the interior has that repels foreign bodies...Whatever this property is, it's destroyed each and every unmanned probe we sent in.

There's also more bullshit in SMT like the Akashaic Records in Nocturne and especially Devil Survivor 2 with Polaris. There's tons of other stuff.

 

[Aurelian]

経絡の向こうの奥底、
無限のアマラからオレの守護がやってくる

そこにいるのは、時間の流れからも外れ
名前すら失った存在

... From the depths beyond the meridian,
Beyond the infinite Amara my guardian will come

Existing in that place, it is outside the flow of time
A being without even a name...

 

[Blade]

serph and tadano double powerbomb the xenogears verse and the no aru verse is getting cui'd as side effect too

 

[Atem]

Demi-Fiend and Nerevarine tag-team when.

 

[Blade]

that's how the outcome of this thread goes

smt top tiers > tes = high tiers of smt > first arc elric >> xenogears

 

[Blade]

i like xenogears and all

but that headcanon from years ago, was really a sad fic, smh, all that denial and salt cuz stronger chars/series exist, really smh

 

[OtherGalaxy]

so xeno was another victim of the jakk deception? Guess we sort of knew this from the Fei vs Unicron thread but still

 

[Blade]

yup, low megaversal at best for the xenogears top tiers = still very strong

smt high tiers are > low megaversal levels, let alone the top tiers

well

tf vs smt is more like on the same tier, would def be a good fight, for 25% vector prime

 

[OtherGalaxy]

yeah I can definitely see how Xeno is the weakest here now, was pretty mistaken on where SMT stood

 

[Blade]

genis got the biggest L though

from omniversal to universal+ levels

at least

he still solos 99% of dbs

 

[Aurelian]

The problem with Xenogears isn't that Keo wasn't dishonest or misrepresenting things but in light of all the shit with Jakk in particular involving Genesis-Vall and Xenogears/Xenosaga makes some of the things he put or claimed on questionable terms

 

[Blade]

i don't have prob with keo

guy just headcanon'd saiyuki and xenogears, a lot

plus

jakk was the icing on the cake

their crew, along with ampchu and ncinema changed them fully

omniversal for basically every comic char which infected those series too, despite never having a display of that power

it was a shame

all that fiasco back there was a sad arc

literally denial and salt, for no reason

 

[OtherGalaxy]

Fei Fong Wong in enters SMT

One day Fei Fong Wong finds a strange looking computer on the floor. SMT 1 Hero comes and accuses Fei of stealing. Hero then calls on every protagonist, demon, etc., to fight Fei. Now Fei must fight. Both sides bloodlusted. No prep. Fei is at his strongest with his strongest mech. How far can...

www.fanverse.org

so was any of this accurate about Xenogears at all?

i dont have anything against Jakk, but it is funny how things turned out with...certain characters

Jakk himself was always pleasant to talk to, but yeah the Genis thing is now infamous

 

[Blade]

most of that is correct = multiversal+/low megaversal

they just ain't in the omniversal range, they hyped and spiced it up with an extra dose of headcanon, for no reason

why?

who knows

prob for whoever fan series is the stronger one, biggaversal time, lol

 

[Papa Nier]

Fei Fong Wong in enters SMT

One day Fei Fong Wong finds a strange looking computer on the floor. SMT 1 Hero comes and accuses Fei of stealing. Hero then calls on every protagonist, demon, etc., to fight Fei. Now Fei must fight. Both sides bloodlusted. No prep. Fei is at his strongest with his strongest mech. How far can...

www.fanverse.org

so was any of this accurate about Xenogears at all?

i dont have anything against Jakk, but it is funny how things turned out with...certain characters

Jakk himself was always pleasant to talk to, but yeah the Genis thing is now infamous

Pretty much. Though, I don't know where or how the fuck they got Omniversal from.

 

[Aurelian]

Pretty much. Though, I don't know where or how the fuck they got Omniversal from.

Jakk and NightmareCinema

Everyone and their mother suddenly became megaversal - omniversal range

 

[GregSteve]

i don't have prob with keo

guy just headcanon'd saiyuki and xenogears, a lot

plus

jakk was the icing on the cake

their crew, along with ampchu and ncinema changed them fully

omniversal for basically every comic char which infected those series too, despite never having a display of that power

it was a shame

all that fiasco back there was a sad arc

literally denial and salt, for no reason

You telling me you never believed in Omniversal base Spiderman all this time?????? And you think you know a guy