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They put aside their differences to take down a common foe
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What makes this real vs it not being an illusion?FYI, even Ranni after she discarded her real body and her Great Rune was powerful enough to create a pocket universe with a fully-fledged moon, and a clone of her mom.
That's how powerful a massively gimped empyrean is.
I assume it's a variation of Rennala's Full Moon. Which isn't noted to be an illusion.What makes this real vs it not being an illusion?
If its a variation of Rennala's lunar sorcery, and Rennala is stated to be the most powerful sorcerer/sorceress in all of Caria/Liurnia, why would we assume that Ranni, who is categorically using illusions to shield and protect her mother, manifested a pocket universe? Ranni isn't as powerful as as Rennala and she even says she was trying to make it seem like the Tarnished was fighting the real Rennala showing what she was like in her prime before being mind-broken.I assume it's a variation of Rennala's Full Moon. Which isn't noted to be an illusion.
And when something is an illusion it's usually noted. Say for example with the incantation that creates an illusory copy of the black blade. Though like in Baki even that illusion can kill. And illusions in Elden Ring are so powerful that they can actually hit you, and mimic the effects of what they're copying.
Ranni is actually more powerful than her, even after getting depowered, and could still do things like force Adula into her servitude. Which is also why Adula is at the Carian estate, and defends her at the Moonlight Altar. Though to be fair, Ranni also seemed to be using the Great Rune of the Unborn when she did this. And it also deals in incarnation like the full moon and dark moon spells do. Ranni was also one of the candidates to replace Marika, and become the vessel of the Elden Ring.If its a variation of Rennala's lunar sorcery, and Rennala is stated to be the most powerful sorcerer/sorceress in all of Caria/Liurnia, why would we assume that Ranni, who is categorically using illusions to shield and protect her mother, manifested a pocket universe? Ranni isn't as powerful as as Rennala and she even says she was trying to make it seem like the Tarnished was fighting the real Rennala showing what she was like in her prime before being mind-broken.
Ranni is more powerful then a depowered and mind-broken Rennala post-Radagon leaving her. Ranni even before having her original body killed during the Night of Black Knives and Rennala at her prime, is not more powerful then her. All of Rennala's item and lore descriptions state she's the most powerful sorceress in Caria and the most powerful of all the mages of Raya Lucaria and Caria itself; this includes Sellen, Selvius, and Ranni.Ranni is actually more powerful than her, even after getting depowered, and could still do things like force Adula into her servitude. Which is also why Adula is at the Carian estate, and defends her at the Moonlight Altar. Though to be fair, Ranni also seemed to be using the Great Rune of the Unborn when she did this. And it also deals in incarnation like the full moon and dark moon spells do. Ranni was also one of the candidates to replace Marika, and become the vessel of the Elden Ring.
Ranni is more powerful then a depowered and mind-broken Rennala post-Radagon leaving her. Ranni even before having her original body killed during the Night of Black Knives and Rennala at her prime, is not more powerful then her. All of Rennala's item and lore descriptions state she's the most powerful sorceress in Caria and the most powerful of all the mages of Raya Lucaria and Caria itself; this includes Sellen, Selvius, and Ranni.
I don't know what being an Empyrean has to do with this. Ranni was likely made one because her father is Radagon and she was elevated to the status of a demigod with Radahn and Rykard due to the politics behind Radagon and Marika's marriage, both Malenia and Miquella are also Empyreans; depsite that Malenia was an Empyrean for the God of Rot/Scarlet Rot and not the GreateR Will. Rennala not being one isn't really significant. You can even recap on this:
- Marika can't defeat the GEQ and the Godskin Apostles despite being an Empyrean
- Greater Will + Two Fingers have to create Marika's Shadow, Malekith, to defeat them and seal the black flames back into the Destined Death/Death Rune to defeat her and her apostles
- Horah Loux shows up, becomes Godfrey and has to personally fight off the Fire Giants while Marika could only battle the Fell God; even then neither the Greater Will nor Marika can put out the Fell God's flames in the mountaintop of giants
- War with the dragons happen, Godfrey defeats and nearly kills Placidusax who loses three heads to him and is forced to retreat to a different point of time, Godwyn bests Fortissax, and the rest of the race is nearly genocided by Godfrey before Godywn convinces his mother and father to spare them
- meanwhile Radagon at the same time, a legendary champion, is defeated in both Liurian Wars with Caria
- which is solely lead by Rennala and less then "twenty Carian Royal Knights"
Even if this is before Radagon become the second Elden Lord, he's noted as the greatest champion of the Golden Order after Godfrey, and with an army of dragons, countless knights and the Greater Will behind him, is defeated twice by a vastly numerically inferior Caria lead by Rennala
Ranni definitely is not the Gloam-Eyed/Dusk Eyed Queen. Melina is theorized either to be the physical split when Ranni killed her physical body during the Night of Black Knives, or that she is some sort of reincarnation of Marika and/or the GEQ. It either way makes no sense for Ranni given the GEQ was either killed or sealed away after Malekith defeated the Godskin Apostles and resealed the Destined Death/Death Rune, and the GEQ was rebelling against the Greater Will after already being made an Empyrean with Marika.That's the thing though. Ranni might also actually be the Dusk-Eyed Queen, or Melina might be;
Possibly but tenuous at best. Melina was already confirmed via datamining to be titled "Marika's daughter" and she says in the game's story she was born of the Erdtree.or Ranni and Melina might be the same person.
Well yes. Melina and Ranni share a connection with Torrent, and Torrent's former and original master was Ranni's teacher, the Snow Witch/Crone.Due to the fact they're familiar with each other, Ranni visits you immediately after you meet Melina and get Torrent, and notes that she is familiar with Torrent and his master.
No, Melina is theorized to be Ranni's reincarnated body. The Night of the Black Knives has two demigods die at the same time; the Black Knives killing Godwyn's soul, the same time Ranni commits suicide and kills her physical body to escape being a candidate Empyrean of the Greater Will. When you see Melina in the Frenzied Flame ending, both of her eyes are different colors, opened, and her hair is singed and spiked upwards. Also should mention that Rykard was heavily involved with aiding Ranni and the Black Knives and working with her despite Ranni never mentioning him in this directly.That combined by the fact that Melina is a spirit, and Ranni's spirit actually has her left eye closed. Just like Melina does. And they are connected via the doll's right eye.
Godwyn didn't die during the Golden Age. Godwyn's death started the Age of Fracture with the Shattering of the Elden Ring and then the actual "Shattering", the civil war that engulfed the world following the Night of Black Knives.The Dusk-Eyed Queen was also noted to be an Empyrean chosen by the fingers, and Godwyn died during the beginning of the Golden Age.
We already know prior to the war between the GEQ and Marika that the former was already killing other gods and demigods since its stated she birthed the Godskins and as babies she would swaddle them in flayed skins of gods she had personally killed.Not the end of it. All other godly/demi-godly deaths happened afterwards, and after the theft of a fragment of the Rune of Death by Ranni.
If you are talking about the other six or seven unnamed demigod mausoleums/tombs, we have no idea when they were born, only that they are Marika's unnamed children. But during the war between Marika and the GEQ, Marika had no children nor was married yet so that would be categorically impossible unless the GEQ was somehow time traveling which leads to more headaches. Only named demigods we know of are:The deities hunted down and killed by the Godskin Apostles and Nobles were actually Marika's other children, and we see their corpses in the Walking Mausoleums. Which is also why you can use their corpses to replicate remembrances, but nearby spirits also note they're Marika's children.
They don't serve either Ranni or Rykard. The Godskin Noble in the Volcano Manor at Mt. Gelmir seems to be allied with Rykard and Lady Tanith, the Godskin at the Divine Tower in Liurnia being there is unknown, as the Black Knives also turned on Ranni, Iji, and Blaidd + Selluvis. With the former, Rykard, it makes sense since both want to simply kill Gods and Demigods; as Tanith explains, the Volcano Manor is "completely" against the Outer Gods too. With Ranni, its much harder to pin down why one is near the tower containing her original body's burnt corpse.The Godskin Apostles and Nobles serve Ranni and Rykard. Ranni's body being protected by a Godskin Noble at her Divine Tower, and another one is in the Church of Eiglay in the Volcano Manor. The reason for this is because Ranni and Rykard were allied.
Marika did not create Malekith.
Marika had already become the vessel of the Elden Ring, she wasn't an Empyrean anymore, and separated the Rune of Death from it to safeguard herself and her progeny from death.
Marika had them create Maliketh to serve as the guardian of the Rune of Death. Not to defeat the Dusk-Eyed Queen. This actually came afterwards. When Godwyn was slayed, and the fragment of the Rune of Death spread across the Lands Between.
The Fell God was personally slain by Marika herself the same time Godfrey genocided the Giants/Fire Giants.Hoarah Loux was already Marika's consort and Elden Lord. Long before Godwyn ever died. Sometime before the Golden Age, and appeared during the conception of the Erdtree itself. The Crucible Knights who drew their power directly from said primordial Erdtree belonged to him. They went into his service after he defeated the giants and the Storm Lord. The Fell God never actually appeared in person at all, and the Fire Giants merely served as avatars for the fire it created.
I have seen no evidence that suggests Marika created Malekith or that Malekith only came into existence AFTER Marika and Godfrey were married and had their children.Then the war with the ancient dragons happen after Hoarah Loux becomes Godfrey, but this is still before the Gloam-Eyed Queen/Dusk-Eyed Queen was a thing. The Godskin Apostles and Nobles have yet to come into existence.
It was actually because in both wars, the House of the Tree (Greater Will/Lyendell) was unable to defeat the House of the Moon (Dark Moon/Caria). Carian Knights various armor set descriptions and several of the Carian magic Ashes of War and Armaments directly state that less then 20 Carian Knights and the unnamed Cuckoo/Glinstone Knights were able to stop Radagon and his army in both wars.Radagon ceased his territorial transgressions against the Carian Royals because he fell in love with Rennala. Which is the real reason why he stopped his attempts of conquest. It wasn't because Rennala was able to successfully stop him.
Again we have no idea why or what the connection between Radahn and the Godskin Apostle in the Divine Tower of Caelid represents. It is just as likely that the Apostles returned because of the Shattering, Marika's imprisoning in the Erdtree by the Elden Beast and Greater Will, and the civil war going on in the family across all of the Lands Between that they might think the GEQ could return and Radahn being completely mindless after his fight with Malenia.Radahn also had connections to the Godskins due to being Ranni's brother, and had the Dusk-Eyed Queen's great sword locked away in his Divine Tower. Protected by a Godskin Apostle.
She definitely has some sort of connection to her, and has the service of her Godskins for some reason. Besides Melina she is the only person who it could be, and there's heavy implication that she is her.Ranni definitely is not the Gloam-Eyed/Dusk Eyed Queen.
The problem is that we know the Rune of Death was only stolen once, and afterwards Maliketh became Gurranq. By sealing his black blade into his body. Which made it impossible to steal it again. There were no other instances of theft, and we know Ranni was the only person who stole it. Which is where you can draw the connections between her and the Dusk-Eyed Queen.Melina is theorized either to be the physical split when Ranni killed her physical body during the Night of Black Knives, or that she is some sort of reincarnation of Marika and/or the GEQ. It either way makes no sense for Ranni given the GEQ was either killed or sealed away after Malekith defeated the Godskin Apostles and resealed the Destined Death/Death Rune,
We also do not know if there was a previous cycle, and a lot of sources point towards Marika being the first vessel of the Elden Ring. She might not have even been an Empyrean, and was just a God since the beginning of the Erdtree's conception.and the GEQ was rebelling against the Greater Will after already being made an Empyrean with Marika.
So is Ranni since Radagon is part of Marika, or possibly just Marika transformed into Radagon. Which means Ranni technically has two mothers. Marika/Radagon, and Rennala. Marika also became the step-mother of Radahn, Rykard, and Ranni when Radagon became Marika's consort.Possibly but tenuous at best. Melina was already confirmed via datamining to be titled "Marika's daughter" and she says in the game's story she was born of the Erdtree.
Which is what makes it strange. Since the implication is, combined everything else we know and see, is that they're actually the same person. Same weird marking on their eye, both know Torrent and the crone, and they have access to each other's knowledge.Well yes. Melina and Ranni share a connection with Torrent, and Torrent's former and original master was Ranni's teacher, the Snow Witch/Crone.
Melina herself notes that she is burned and without a body. Yet, still somehow continues to live. Which makes it clear that she is some sort of spirit. That combined with the specific placement of the marking, and the fact Ranni's spirit is connected by the right of the doll to her spirit's left eye? Is what, once again, makes it extremely suspicious. It all seems a bit too coincidental, and seems to be there to tell us something.No, Melina is theorized to be Ranni's reincarnated body. The Night of the Black Knives has two demigods die at the same time; the Black Knives killing Godwyn's soul, the same time Ranni commits suicide and kills her physical body to escape being a candidate Empyrean of the Greater Will. When you see Melina in the Frenzied Flame ending, both of her eyes are different colors, opened, and her hair is singed and spiked upwards.
Yeah, I also believe she might be the Dusk-Eyed Queen. However, she might also be Ranni's spirit. Which is where the connection happens here.I have more belief Melina is more directly connected to Marika and the GEQ because of FF/Chaos Lord ending.
Sorcerer Rogier explicitly notes that he died during the very beginning of the Golden Age, and that some time later the Shattering happened. He also notes that Godwyn was the first demigod to die in all of recorded history.Godwyn didn't die during the Golden Age. Godwyn's death started the Age of Fracture with the Shattering of the Elden Ring and then the actual "Shattering", the civil war that engulfed the world following the Night of Black Knives.
Which could also be the skin of her siblings we see in those Wandering Mausoleums, and we definitely know they were Marika's children. Since the spirits around them confirm as such when you talk to them. They're the only other dead deities we are aware of.We already know prior to the war between the GEQ and Marika that the former was already killing other gods and demigods since its stated she birthed the Godskins and as babies she would swaddle them in flayed skins of gods she had personally killed.
Time-travel is also possible, and then there's Farum Azula to consider. For example if you don't complete Gurranq's quest-line? He is still alive after you murder Maliketh. Since we know Maliketh is Gurranq? That means things that happen outside of time don't influence things inside of time. We also know the Rune of Death has ties to Farum Azula somehow.If you are talking about the other six or seven unnamed demigod masoleums/tombs, we have no idea when they were born, only that they are Marika's unnamed children. But during the war between Marika and the GEQ, Marika had no children nor was married yet so that would be categorically impossible unless the GEQ was somehow time traveling which leads to more headaches.
Once again, I am fairly certain the Dusk-Eyed Queen/Gloam-Eyed Queen came about after Godwyn's death. Which is why this wouldn't be a problem because the chronological order of these events is actually different.The other six/seven demigods are unnamed and we know Marika had NO children until after her first marriage with Godfrey. Whoever those other gods or demigods were, they weren't directly or indirectly related to Marika or theGEQ.
I figure it's just to protect the curse mark, and the only one who knows about that is Ranni. Which again points towards Ranni having ordered it to stay there, and protect it. Nobody else know that the other half of the curse mark was on her corpse. Not even Fia or Gideon. The only person the Godskin Noble could have gotten that information from is Ranni. That's part of the reason why I felt it was following her orders. Unless somebody else was in on the plot to kill Godwyn, but the only other person who was would be Rykard.They don't serve either Ranni or Rykard. The Godskin Noble in the Volcano Manor at Mt. Gelmir seems to be allied with Rykard and Lady Tanith, the Godskin at the Divine Tower in Liurnia being there is unknown, as the Black Knives also turned on Ranni, Iji, and Blaidd + Selluvis. With the former, Rykard, it makes sense since both want to simply kill Gods and Demigods. With Ranni, its much harder to pin down why one is near the tower containing her original body's burnt corpse.
I didn't say Marika created him. I said Marika had the Two Fingers/Greater Will create him. I already know all of this, and this is also why Blaidd went crazy at the end of Ranni's quest-line. Due to the fact the Greater Will hijacked control of his body, and wanted to stop Ranni from separating the Elden Ring from the Lands Between.Marika did not create Malekith.
Malekith is Marika's Shadow created by the Greater Will.
The Greater Will also created Blaidd, who is Ranni's Shadow.
Yes, I am familiar with this already. I wasnt't saying Marika created Maliketh herself. I said she had the Two Fingers/Greater Will create him for the purpose of being the guardian of the Rune of Death. That she had them create him not to destroy the Dusk-Eyed Queen, but to seal away the Rune of Death which was still part of the Elden Ring at the time.Notice the theme of both being Empyreans, both being women of godly or demigod status, and both having two male semi-human half-wolf hybrids there to both be their protectors and their killers if they turn against the Greater Will and Two Fingers.
I disagree with this as I feel he had already sealed away the Rune of Death into his black blade BEFORE this. His original purpose was to serve as the guardian for it. After Marika removed it from the Elden Ring.Malekith did not exist prior to the Gloam Eyed Queen rebelling against the Greater Will.
The Dusk-Eyed Queens/Gloam-Eyed Queens connection to the other gods is also not clear, or even to Marika herself. We don't even know if they're siblings or whatever else. I feel Maliketh had already sealed the Rune of Death before any of this happened, and after the theft of it by Ranni? We see the Dusk-Eyed Queen appear.Fundamentally it makes more sense that after witnessing the GEQ's betrayal and slaying of other gods and demigods, Malekith was created as a backup plan to house and protect the Death Rune/Destined Death and execute an Empyrean if they betray the Order again.
Which is stated where exactly? Since I don't recall any item descriptions referencing his death. Just that he lived inside of the Fire Giants through their flames. Kind of like how the scarlet rot lives inside of Malenia.The Fell God was personally slain by Marika herself the same time Godfrey genocided the Giants/Fire Giants.
I didn't say Marika created Maliketh. I said she had the Two Fingers create him. Then afterwards she betrayed him somehow. Going by Gurranq's death lines the betrayal it's referencing is the shattering.I have seen no evidence that suggests Marika created Malekith or that Malekith only came into existence AFTER Marika and Godfrey were married and had their children.
It only gives us their number. It doesn't tell us the outcome of the battle. It just says they were a match for the champions of the Golden Order, and were preparing to fight them. We learn from Miriel that the reason why Radagon stopped was because he fell in love with Rennala, and then in the Church of Vows made amends for his crimes against the Carian Royals.It was actually because in both wars, the House of the Tree (Greater Will/Lyendell) was unable to defeat the House of the Moon (Dark Moon/Caria). Carian Knights various armor set descriptions and several of the Carian magic Ashes of War and Armaments directly state that less then 20 Carian Knights and the unnamed Cuckoo/Glinstone Knights were able to stop Radagon and his army in both wars.
The Divine Tower existed long before all of this happened, and they seem to have always been inside of it. Rather than taking it over, or pushing out anyone. Since Radahn's soldiers and knights are also there, and they're not at odds with the black flame monks or the Godskin Apostle. You also encounter them around, and inside of it. Which means it is still under the control of his army. That, or the black flame monks and the Godskin Apostle somehow hid themselves in plain sight.Again we have no idea why or what the connection between Radahn and the Godskin Apostle in the Divine Tower of Caelid represents. It is just as likely that the Apostles returned because of the Shattering, Marika's imprisoning in the Erdtree by the Elden Beast and Greater Will, and the civil war going on in the family across all of the Lands Between that they might think the GEQ could return and Radahn being completely mindless after his fight with Malenia.
Not sure her about being a "reincarnation" of her, but she definitely could be her spirit.Hell I think Melina might be intended to be the reincarnation of the GEQ.
Its not clear, I just am not in the camp that Melina is related to Ranni when her official game data files say "Marika's daughter".She definitely has some sort of connection to her, and has the service of her Godskins for some reason. Besides Melina she is the only person who it could be, and there's heavy implication that she is her.
Nah the Destined Death/Death Rune was stolen twice. I just believe the first time it happened, Malekith simply didn't exist yet and its power was being shared between Marika and the GEQ.The problem is that we know the Rune of Death was only stolen once, and afterwards Maliketh became Gurranq. By sealing his black blade into his body. Which made it impossible to steal it again. There were no other instances of theft, and we know Ranni was the only person who stole it. Which is where you can draw the connections between her and the Dusk-Eyed Queen.
Its believed the Erdtree and the Greater Will created all life in the world as well as the Lands Between. Then its later revealed the further you progress and explore that the Crucible predates the Erdtree as the source of all life since before or during the "primeval" times. The Greater Will wants people to worship Marika and the Erdtree to maintain its control and influence as the chief Outer God; which is why the Crucible Knights, Omens, Misbegotten, etc...are ill-treated, shunned, or outright killed because the GW has hardwired the belief that they are aberrations.We also do not know if there was a previous cycle, and a lot of sources point towards Marika being the first vessel of the Elden Ring. She might not have even been an Empyrean, and was just a God since the beginning of the Erdtree's conception.
Radagon and Marika were originally two different people. Radagon was even taking part in the wars with the Fire Giants which Godfrey was leading while Marika killed the Fell God. Note that Ranni, Rykard, and Radahn were only elevated to demigod status AFTER Radagon left Rennala to wed Marika and become the second Elden Lord AFTER Godfrey and his warriors were banished from the Lands Between.
So is Ranni since Radagon is part of Marika, or possibly just Marika transformed into Radagon. Which means Ranni technically has two mothers. Marika/Radagon, and Rennala. Marika also became the step-mother of Radahn, Rykard, and Ranni when Radagon became Marika's consort.
The closed eyes for Melina and Ranni are opposite; one has a closed left eye, the other a closed right eye. That and both knowing Torrent's original master and owner was Ranni's master but neither Melina nor Ranni ever speak of each other. Other than that, they say nothing else; in fact Melina is explicitly not around for any of the stuff involving Radahn, Rykard, and Rennala.Which is what makes it strange. Since the implication is, combined everything else we know and see, is that they're actually the same person. Same weird marking on their eye, both know Torrent and the crone, and they have access to each other's knowledge.
Melina being either the daughter of Marika or a reincarnation of the Gloam Eyed Queen whose buried/sealed within the Erdtree after her heresy was stopped would explain why being a continuation of an Empyrean/God does not necessarily die even without the loss of a body. As the narration tells us, even after Marika was captured after Shattering the Elden Ring, and imprisoned within the seals of the Erdtree itself by the Elden Beast/Radagon, she was "still a God", and could not be ended.Melina herself notes that she is burned and without a body. Yet, still somehow continues to live. Which makes it clear that she is some sort of spirit. That combined with the specific placement of the marking, and the fact Ranni's spirit is connected by the right of the doll to her spirit's left eye? Is what, once again, makes it extremely suspicious. It all seems a bit too coincidental, and seems to be there to tell us something.
^See above.Yeah, I also believe she might be the Dusk-Eyed Queen. However, she might also be Ranni's spirit. Which is where the connection happens here.
This would be fine except Rogier is completely unaware of the connection with Ranni's physical body and why both Ranni and Godwyn technically both died together at the same time during the Night of Black Knives which contradicts him.Sorcerer Rogier explicitly notes that he died during the very beginning of the Golden Age, and that some time later the Shattering happened. He also notes that Godwyn was the first demigod to die in all of recorded history.
"It happened during the Golden Age of the Erdtree, long before the shattering of the Elden Ring. Someone stole a fragment of the Rune of Death from Maliketh, the Black Blade. And on a bitter night, murdered Godwyn the Golden. That was the first recorded Death of a demigod in all history. And it became the catalyst. Soon, the Elden Ring was smashed, and thus sprang forth the war known as the Shattering."
Maybe but the point is there is no indication of Marika having children prior to marrying Godfrey and later Radagon. That's conjecture at best and there is really no evidence for it.Which could also be the skin of her siblings we see in those Wandering Mausoleums, and we definitely know they were Marika's children. Since the spirits around them confirm as such when you talk to them. They're the only other dead deities we are aware of.
Farum Azula exists outside of the regular flow of time and is due to Placidusax's actions as the Dragon Lord after the dragons lost the war with the Golden Order to Godfrey and Godwyn. But that has nothing to do with events happening hundreds of years, maybe even thousands of years, prior with the Gloam Eyed Queen having a civil war with the Marika prior to Marika ascending to full Godhood.Time-travel is also possible, and then there's Farum Azula to consider. For example if you don't complete Gurranq's quest-line? He is still alive after you murder Maliketh. Since we know Maliketh is Gurranq? That means things that happen outside of time don't influence things inside of time. We also know the Rune of Death has ties to Farum Azula somehow.
I don't think so. There are too many plot holes to make any sense of that, the Godskins are implied and implicated to have been sealed away along with the black flames for a long time prior to Godwyn's death. The GEQ and Marika warring with each other and precedence of already slaughtering other gods and demigods to swaddle the Godskins in their flayed clothing also doesn't help. Besides Malekith was surprised at Marika betraying him after the Shattering went down, so I don't really feel this is possible.Once again, I am fairly certain the Dusk-Eyed Queen/Gloam-Eyed Queen came about after Godwyn's death. Which is why this wouldn't be a problem because the chronological order of these events is actually different.
Yes Rykard was in on the whole thing, the conspiracy with Ranni and the Black Knives, the Night of the Black Knives, Godwyn's death, getting the Blasphemous Claw to fight Malekith; note that Ranni omits mentioning him despite how huge a role he plays in allying with Ranni against Marika and the Golden Order.I figure it's just to protect the curse mark, and the only one who knows about that is Ranni. Which again points towards Ranni having ordered it to stay there, and protect it. Nobody else know that the other half of the curse mark was on her corpse. Not even Fia or Gideon. The only person the Godskin Noble could have gotten that information from is Ranni. That's part of the reason why I felt it was following her orders. Unless somebody else was in on the plot to kill Godwyn, but the only other person who was would be Rykard.
Yes.I didn't say Marika created him. I said Marika had the Two Fingers/Greater Will create him. I already know all of this, and this is also why Blaidd went crazy at the end of Ranni's quest-line. Due to the fact the Greater Will hijacked control of his body, and wanted to stop Ranni from separating the Elden Ring from the Lands Between.
It would be impossible for it to have been fully sealed in the Black Blade considering Ranni was able to get multiple fragments of the Destined Death/Death Rune while Malekith still held it and give those to the Black Knives and Rykard.Yes, I am familiar with this already. I wasnt't saying Marika created Maliketh herself. I said she had the Two Fingers/Greater Will create him for the purpose of being the guardian of the Rune of Death. That she had them create him not to destroy the Dusk-Eyed Queen, but to seal away the Rune of Death which was still part of the Elden Ring at the time.
I disagree with this as I feel he had already sealed away the Rune of Death into his black blade BEFORE this. His original purpose was to serve as the guardian for it. After Marika removed it from the Elden Ring.
Gloam Eyed/Dusk Eyed Queen and all the shit with slaying the gods and demigods happened during or before the Age of the Erdtree, well before the Golden Age or the Age of Fracture.
The Dusk-Eyed Queens/Gloam-Eyed Queens connection to the other gods is also not clear, or even to Marika herself. We don't even know if they're siblings or whatever else. I feel Maliketh had already sealed the Rune of Death before any of this happened, and after the theft of it by Ranni? We see the Dusk-Eyed Queen appear.
Here:Which is stated where exactly? Since I don't recall any item descriptions referencing his death. Just that he lived inside of the Fire Giants through their flames. Kind of like how the scarlet rot lives inside of Malenia.
Fire Giants to the One-Eyed Shield said:“A tricksome shield made from white stone depicting a malformed one-eyed god. The barrel of a firearm pokes through the open mouth. Once worshipped by the giants, this evil deity is believed to have been slain by Queen Marika."
Two Fingers didn't create her Shadow either, that was all the Greater Will. Remember the Fingers are just cosmic heralds and messengers, acting as proxies between the Empyrean/God chosen, and the Greater Will itself.
I didn't say Marika created Maliketh. I said she had the Two Fingers create him. Then afterwards she betrayed him somehow. Going by Gurranq's death lines the betrayal it's referencing is the shattering.
Caria held out in both wars and the worship and veneration of astrology (star gazing and reading) and the moon continued where as the rest of the continent of the Lands Between converted to worshiping and following the religion of the Erdtree and Greater Will. There's really no indication Radagon simply "stopped" because he felt merciful because he fell in love with Rennala, the lore describes them as meeting after the two wars which the Golden Order was prevented from conquering Caria/Liurnia and then them falling in love and Marika and Godfrey being okay with this.It only gives us their number. It doesn't tell us the outcome of the battle. It just says they were a match for the champions of the Golden Order, and were preparing to fight them. We learn from Miriel that the reason why Radagon stopped was because he fell in love with Rennala, and then in the Church of Vows made amends for his crimes against the Carian Royals.
The Redmanes are entirely preoccupied with a losing war with the Scarlet Rot and trying to contain it all in Caelid to prevent the rest of the continent from being infected after Malenia's Second Blooming. We don't see or hear of any interaction between the Redmane soldiers with the Godskins, only that a follower of one of the Godskins is guarding the entrance to where a Godskin noble in the Divine Tower is at.The Divine Tower existed long before all of this happened, and they seem to have always been inside of it. Rather than taking it over, or pushing out anyone. Since Radahn's soldiers and knights are also there, and they're not at odds with the black flame monks or the Godskin Apostle. You also encounter them around, and inside of it. Which means it is still under the control of his army. That, or the black flame monks and the Godskin Apostle somehow hid themselves in plain sight.
Not sure her about being a "reincarnation" of her, but she definitely could be her spirit.
Radagon and Marika aren't the same person, they were fused together by the Greater Will. Hence why Radagon's red hair was inherited by Ranni, Radahn, and Rykard; and also why they were only given the status of demigods after Radagon married Marika and became the second Elden Lord.Radagon was also cursed by the Fire Giants. So, he existed at the same time as the genocide. And since we know he is Marika. It's likely because of their genocide of them. When Marika cursed the last Fire Giant? They also cursed her with red hair, or at least part of herself, with red hair.
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