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[Toaru] Chimera vs Lucifer

Aleister was moving just fine in the Hidden World
Hidden Wold has no concept of space so speed is irrelevant there, you actually require fate manipulation to traverse that phase.
Touma when motivated ™️ and Accelerator) can react to Flaming;Sword.
Touma can react to pretty much anything at this point with his precognition and I actually give infinite speed to Accelerator's vector control. I'm questioning whether these superior magicians you mention have any such speed feats, because they certainly don't have infinite speed but some of them do scale to LS though.
Aiwass was sandbagging and the fight with Niang-Niang was off-screen, so..
Does not change the fact that Aiwass was helpless against Coronzon and Niang-Niang wounded her enough to draw blood.
 
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Btw I was asking if Lucifer had any abilities to add it to johanns vsbw profile
Hmm...

Soul destruction and being a cognito hazard, for Lucifer alone. Touma considered it too strong for Imagine Breaker to negate, but I've stated what I think of that and I don't know if there's anything else considering how it was not even shown once.

If it's about adding it to Johann's profile as equipment or summon then Johann believed that he could defeat both Anna and Touma with it despite fighting Touma's Dragon King mode and Anna's magic which is strong enough to bisect universes. I'd say you can place him around wherever you have placed Touma and Anna since he must at least be relative to them combining forces with fake Lucifer by his side if he were to have any chance of defeating them.
 
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Hidden Wold has no concept of space so speed is irrelevant there, you actually require fate manipulation to traverse that speed.

Touma can react to pretty much anything at this point with his precognition and I actually give infinite speed to Accelerator's vector control.

Does not change the fact that Aiwass was helpless against Coronzon and Niang-Niang wounded her enough to draw blood.
No, the concepts of space/time are different and thus every gap in it extends out to an infinite distance (like you said before, their infinite power gets divided infinitely over that "space").
For Aleister to even TALK there he requires that level of speed.

Does Aleister even have fate manipulation?
When Niang-Niang said "it's just up to fate's hands whether we meet or not" she was being cheeky.


Besides the fact that his subconscious calculation would have to react to it on some level.. he didn't reflect it.
It was explicitly fired and then he actively tore it apart.
"That special attack was released and clashed with the level 5 that could manipulate all vectors" (paraphrasing here)
"It was torn apart by a human will"
People seem to keep misunderstanding that passage for some reason.

(And that's not really how his precognition works btw, his precognition = / = his boosted reaction speed depending on his motivation)

Was he actually (I don't remember the fight perfectly, admittedly)? Again, he was sandbagging the whole fight and if all Niang-Niang did was "draw blood" that's hardly an immeasurable gap in strength.
If Coronzon was using pure elements which Niang-Niang couldn't counter (and she was), it being a stalemate only makes sense if either 1. Niang-Niang blitzed her and was immeasurably more powerful than her (we know that's not true) or 2. she wasn't fighting entirely seriously (likely the case, as both of them were kind of fucking around.)

Either way I think this is a discussion for another time/thread, if you're alright with dropping this for now.
 
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