Transformers feats/discussion

[Thirteen prime]

Crushed an F-15 jet (22.5 tons empty) in one hand (The Transformers (Marvel US) #12, "Prime Time!" 1984)

Can destroy an entire mountain with its power.
Many Autobots tanked the blast of Ravage's proton missiles, which had the power of one megaton of TNT.
Optimus can destroy and push a huge tower/turret approximately 5-6 times its size.

As usual for Megatron, he smashed Swoop's body into the building, destroying it.
Defeated Centurion and Grimlock as always.

 

[Kighter]

Ok.
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It's hard for me to understand how a space bridge can be connected to an artificial black hole, when in fact, in the other scans, it's a wormhole opening

 

[Kighter]

Crushed an F-15 jet (22.5 tons empty) in one hand (The Transformers (Marvel US) #12, "Prime Time!" 1984)
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Can destroy an entire mountain with its power.View attachment 2799
Many Autobots tanked the blast of Ravage's proton missiles, which had the power of one megaton of TNT.View attachment 2800View attachment 2801
Optimus can destroy and push a huge tower/turret approximately 5-6 times its size.
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As usual for Megatron, he smashed Swoop's body into the building, destroying it.View attachment 2803View attachment 2804
Defeated Centurion and Grimlock as always.View attachment 2805View attachment 2806View attachment 2807

I like the Marvel feat.

 

[Optimus Prime 654]

Omega Lock stuff, sort of ties into what I've been arguing that Galaxy Force Primus should be at least universal from closing the singularity

from Ask Vector Prime - Echoes and Fragments

Sideways and Gong plan to use Omega Locks to synch two universes together


The entire universe is basically balanced around Cybertron. Gong is able to use the Omega Locks to merge two universe's histories together.

Sideways basically does the same thing as Gong, and it's specified that Omega Locks are a small part of Primus' essence. Basically a fraction of his power is capable of multiversal reality warping. Also keep in mind? Gong and Sideways aren't even trying to destroy anything, they're just fucking with timelines for fun. So yeah that guy on VSB who thought Unicron and Primus capped at universal is full of shit, but we all knew that

From Part 2

Sideways contemplates manipulating universes from other Clusters

The story continues like this for a while, the only other thing I want to note is besides being able to observe what happens in different universes, Sideways can enter "trans-phase" mode and step into other universes as he please.

i'm p sure this story was telling us that Vector Prime was setting times right. Sideways and Gong used the Omega Lock to fuck up reality by just messing up the events from the 86 movie and merging it with the GoBots universe.

Also the Unicron we see in this story was the same one who noticed the presence of Vector?

 

[Doronbo_Shirake]

 

[Optimus Prime 654]

Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook - Transformers Wiki

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This Ask Vector Prime reply says that Dark Spark united the Aligned universes with the rest of the Multiverse. So, it's multiversal. But IDK if its users like Megatron and Lockdown would be able to harness its full power. If they can, then the Matrix empowered Optimuses in the game would scale to that AVP thing. But like I said, I'm not sure.

It didn't actually united the aligned universes, but rather seperating it from the rest of the multiverse while "puncturing the quantum membrane" since it was the only thing that kept the aligned continuity outside of the main multiverse. I won't say this feat is above Multiversal or anything, let alone Multiversal for this. The Dark Spark can get only to Universal+ via bending the fabric of the universe, has Environmental Destruction and the feat where it breaks through the multiverse is only around the Low Multiversal scale as it only affected one universal cluster and we don't know how it affected the whole multiverse.

I don't know about the Lockdown stuff or neither bayverse should scale off to the dark spark (I gotta go through that again), but as far as I can remember... yea because the dark spark iirc did bypassed the universal barrier and Megatron tanked it. The Matrix does scale off to the Dark Spark since the Dark Spark... was after all the "anthesis of the Matrix" and if you can remember, Optimus with Matrix DID took a clash between Megatron with Dark Spark... this would mean the Matrix DOES rival the Dark Spark as both objects can clash their beams each other. This could be an interesting feat for Aligned Optimus honestly.

 

[Thirteen prime]

ах, основанный, возможно, тогда

Spoiler: спойлеры

если бы они помогли хотя бы частично, это было бы безумием, враг огромен
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Apparently the average Cybertronian is capable of surviving falls to the earth's surface at hyper-light speeds, and he was weakened.

 

[Thirteen prime]

Apparently, to destroy the pylons you need to hit them at sublight speed.

 

[Thirteen prime]

Apparently the nearest civilization is 146 to 158 miles from Mount St. Hilary and Megatron launches Shockwave that distance and travels that distance himself in minutes to 5 minutes at most, most likely at about 738 to 850 meters per second, give or take a little more.

Megatron and Shockwave at less than full power can casually throw buildings and water towers without much trouble.
Shockwave is fast enough to fly between Cybertron and Earth in one panel, with Cybertron being much further than the moon.
The weapon on Shockwave's right hand is comparable in power to a nuclear weapon, and its body is made of fourth-order steel.

 

[Thirteen prime]

Shockwave is capable of firing gamma rays, which Optimus easily dodges, the gamma rays reach the speed of light.

 

[Thirteen prime]

Hmm that's interesting

 

[grillmaster]

It's hard for me to understand how a space bridge can be connected to an artificial black hole, when in fact, in the other scans, it's a wormhole opening

i mean, from what i know, black holes and worm holes are weird and sometimes considered to be the same thing, only that worm holes are almost purely theoretical, this isnt the only time in tf black holes are used to transport characters

It didn't actually united the aligned universes, but rather seperating it from the rest of the multiverse while "puncturing the quantum membrane" since it was the only thing that kept the aligned continuity outside of the main multiverse. I won't say this feat is above Multiversal or anything, let alone Multiversal for this. The Dark Spark can get only to Universal+ via bending the fabric of the universe, has Environmental Destruction and the feat where it breaks through the multiverse is only around the Low Multiversal scale as it only affected one universal cluster and we don't know how it affected the whole multiverse.

I don't know about the Lockdown stuff or neither bayverse should scale off to the dark spark (I gotta go through that again), but as far as I can remember... yea because the dark spark iirc did bypassed the universal barrier and Megatron tanked it. The Matrix does scale off to the Dark Spark since the Dark Spark... was after all the "anthesis of the Matrix" and if you can remember, Optimus with Matrix DID took a clash between Megatron with Dark Spark... this would mean the Matrix DOES rival the Dark Spark as both objects can clash their beams each other. This could be an interesting feat for Aligned Optimus honestly.

also effecting a universal cluster is way past low multiversal
every cluster has infinite universes

the Dark Spark pierced the membrane sealing the uniend cluster off from the rest of the multiverse

 

[grillmaster]

Apparently the nearest civilization is 146 to 158 miles from Mount St. Hilary and Megatron launches Shockwave that distance and travels that distance himself in minutes to 5 minutes at most, most likely at about 738 to 850 meters per second, give or take a little more.
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Megatron and Shockwave at less than full power can casually throw buildings and water towers without much trouble.View attachment 2818View attachment 2819View attachment 2820
Shockwave is fast enough to fly between Cybertron and Earth in one panel, with Cybertron being much further than the moon.View attachment 2821View attachment 2822
The weapon on Shockwave's right hand is comparable in power to a nuclear weapon, and its body is made of fourth-order steel.View attachment 2823

shockwave notes megs is so weakened here that his reaction time is a fraction of what it is normally

 

[OtherGalaxy]

a single universe has infinite (or uncountably infinite by AVP) variations of itself so affecting a universal cluster is way deep into multiversal nonsense. It just doesn’t line up with VSB style tiering well

 

[OtherGalaxy]

a single universe has infinite (or uncountably infinite by AVP) variations of itself so affecting a universal cluster is way deep into multiversal nonsense. It just doesn’t line up with VSB style tiering well

reason I take AVP’s uncountable statement as the standard btw is because we also have numerous statements, including directly from Primus, that all possible (and even purely hypothetical) versions of the universe exist. So even though it’s just one statement it’s still valid for scaling the singularity characters as a whole.

 

[grillmaster]

we also know that shit that never got made is also canon atp anyway, so that just kind of backs that up

 

[grillmaster]

Primax 712.17 Iota - Transformers Wiki

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ok a literal completely unmade unused pitch for a G1 episode is canon. I have nearly no issues accepting Furman’s Cybertron pitch now as usable in some capacity if this counts

here

 

[Optimus Prime 654]

i mean, from what i know, black holes and worm holes are weird and sometimes considered to be the same thing, only that worm holes are almost purely theoretical, this isnt the only time in tf black holes are used to transport characters

also effecting a universal cluster is way past low multiversal
every cluster has infinite universes

the Dark Spark pierced the membrane sealing the uniend cluster off from the rest of the multiverse

ig you can argue every cluster at 5D which is fine since set of universes are infinite, containing spacetime continumn which contains infinite possibilities and alternate timelines, assuming each one of them has am infinite sized spacetime.

 

[grillmaster]

dimensional tiering is wack but yknow what ill accept it as a shorthand i guess

 

[grillmaster]

assuming each one of them has am infinite sized spacetime.

as a rule of thumb, as part of the scaling i suggested for this community a while ago, i assume all universes space-times are universe+
if using dimensional tiering () theyre all 4d
the reason being people have been arguing about finite vs infinite universes when what I think is most important is the distinction should be between destroying the matter WITHIN a universe vs destroying TIME ITSELF

a finite space-time is absurd, unless the universe in question is on a timer to destroy itself after like a trillion years, our real world universe doesn't have a finite amount of time. space-time itself is infinite the universe is constantly expanding, unless the big rip or the big crunch happens time will just go on forever, time is infinite at least how we know it to function in our universe

so low universal would be destroying all matter in the known universe
universal + is destroying all matter in an infinite universe (infinite matter in an infinitely sized universe) or destroying space-time (time itself is without end, or maybe even without beginning)