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Ral

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In all seriousness, I haven't kept up with Transformers in years, but they can be reformatted? Wtf??? :catplacent
 

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In all seriousness, I haven't kept up with Transformers in years, but they can be reformatted? Wtf??? :catplacent
to be honest at this point it’s harder to find something transformer’s hasn’t done. There’s a legend that one attempted to transform into the abstract idea of Entropy, which immediately destroyed him
 
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to be honest at this point it’s harder to find something transformer’s hasn’t done. There’s a legend that one attempted to transform into the abstract idea of Entropy, which immediately destroyed him
isn't that just unicron though
 
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Transformers is a long running toy robot franchise that's been around for nearly 40 years at this point. As a result of its length and action focus, it's got a tremendous amount of lore and feats to catalogue. The purpose of this thread is for any and all discussion of Transformers, but specifically with a focus on compiling its feats and lore from the perspective of the VS hobby. I also just really love Transformers and its lore and I'd probably lose my mind if I didn't put everything I learned somewhere for people to read it.

Surprisingly compared to its contemporaries, Transformers' own cosmology is quite poorly documented across the internet. My goal in the opening post here, is to make a comprehensive explanation of Transformers cosmology and lore to allow anyone to understand where it sits relative to other series, but more important how it works because TF is not really like its contemporaries in this regard, and context is extremely important when interpreting its feats. Misinterpeting context will result in horrendous lowballs of key characters, or bizarre highballs that don't line up with both the story itself or the actual background info of the feat. Due to the sheer quantity of material needed to see the big picture, this will be broken into several main sections, backed up by quotes and scans, followed by my own explanations of the material. I am not all-knowing, nor have I read every piece of TF media or seen every cartoon, this is just the culmination of my research into the series over the last few years, and I appreciate anyone chiming in to ask questions, correct me, or provide new information. I try to be very rigorous with my interpretation of the more esoteric points, but nobody's perfect.

Helpful Links:
Ask Vector Prime Facebook Q&A Log
TFWiki Out of Print Media Archive (English)
TFWiki Out of Print Media Archive (Japanese)
Botcon Story Archives
TFWiki's Source Material pages (Translations, etc.)


More of a mini section, but it's important to start this off in order to get anywhere with TF scaling. To put it bluntly, in Transformers everything is canon. This means crossovers, one off comic covers, toy bios that contradict other official material, and in some cases even unproduced material, or material that was never officially published entirely! Transformers leans very hard into an "anything can happen" philosophy with its multiverse, and unlike its contemporaries rarely if ever retcons things out. In fact the opposite tends to happen, where retcons are more commonly used to add further context into previously vaguely explained events. TFWiki covers it quite nicely here


Even the last has caveats however, for example, in the officially sanctioned Ask Vector Prime facebook Q&A panel, Vector Prime answers this regarding canon.


So in some cases, and this will be important later, unofficial stories are still canon. What's important for now is just to know that everything has its place, somewhere in the multiverse. Somewhere being the key, you cannot cross-scale from one universe or continuity to another haphazardly, only a select few characters benefit from that sort of thing, and they are generally in the cosmic bracket. In Transformers, everything exists in a timeline whether it's the "main" one or a "branch" one, and this will be examined extensively later. Generally speaking, comic tie-ins to a movie or cartoon are usually considered to take place in branch or splinter timelines. In this sense, a piece of media not perfectly tying in with another can simply be handwaved as different outcomes in two different universes. This happens a LOT and it's important to keep that in mind before trying to apply a feat or scaling from one piece of media to another.

One notable exception is the Collector's Club's opening storyline Balancing Act, which explicitly does take place in the same universe the Cybertron cartoon happens in.
Like many stories, Transformers has its own "multiverse" setting, however unlike its contemporaries, there is no clear single explanation for how it came about. There are however, two eyewitness/on-page accounts from characters who witnessed it, reliable statements from other cosmic characters that corroborate this, and stories from omniscient narrator perspectives that add further context. I will start with Vector Prime's own three proposals for the source, and elaborate from there.


Vector Prime posits three unique and contradictory origins of the Transformers multiverse. However, we can actually prove to some degree that they are all true, which Vector does note is a possibility as well. Contradictions are extremely common in Transformers lore, but rarely does one explanation outweigh another. Instead, what we can do is look at all sources and see what has been reiterated time and time again. For example...

Transformers Cloud material reveals a multiversal big bang occurred that birthed countless universes, as Vector theorized above..

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Source:Transformers_Cloud:_Spacetime_World:_Guardians_of_Time_Chapter_1

The second origin however, is also true. We see this played out in the comics directly. Vector Prime elaborates though and states that the creation of Primus had the side-effect of creating the multiverse. Thus we can assume the multiversal big bang was actually the result of The One, the supreme being of Transformers, creating Primus out of Unicron
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Simon Furman elaborated on the Marvel origin in more detail during Reaching the Omega Point #1


There are some key details added here, notably that the absence of the Light and Dark Gods is explained...Unicron devoured his entire species along with the Old Realms.

The One creating Primus from Unicron was confirmed in the Simon Furman's Transformers DK Guide
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Note, while the original Marvel G1 comics (and other early material) refer to all this as the birth of one universe, this was retconned extremely early on into the birth of the multiverse itself. As you can see on the above page, it refers to Unicron and Primus' original battle taking place as they spread across many realities. This is what I meant that retcons in Transformers rarely remove material outright, only add further context. The Marvel G1 origin is actually the strongest point either Primus or Unicron have yet to reach in Transformers canon due to repeated retcons expanding the scope of those few pages these stories were covered in.

The final origin is a meta reference to writer Forest Lee, who oversaw much of the cosmic aspect of TF fiction at the time. Forest Lee both wrote the Transformers Collection Club early fiction, which dealt heavily with the multiverse, and pioneered the "Multiversal Singularity" concept that would define many of Transformers' strongest and most important characters. The "Forest Leer", while rarely mentioned, seems to be a force for order in the multiverse.
The name multiverse is misleading, as Transformers uses the terms "multiverse" "megaverse" and "omniverse" to not necessarily denote scale. Multiverse in this case simply refers to all Transformers fiction, as in-universe other fictions are merely considered other multiverses. Megaverse refers to universes outside of, but tangentially related to Transformers, while the omniverse dwarfs Transformers and contains numerous unrelated realities. This has grown more complicated however by the revelation that Shattered Glass, a "reversed" continuity, was all along a multiverse in its own right. Furthermore, other recent material has considered the multiverse to be composed of other multiverses. In context, this will make sense as I explain further, due to Transformers making extreme use of the idea of branch universes, essentially making each universe a spawning point for multiverses.

The multiverse itself is divided into "Universal Streams", which are for all intents and purposes, just universes. In Transformers, a single universe is (bizarrely consistently) considered infinite in size.
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(TFCC Balancing Act #1)

Transformers Retribution (p. 8)
I have yet to find a statement for any universe in Transformers being finite in size, it's always referred to as infinite or endless, and so on. Though there is a phenomena when a universe ends where it may become finite and infinite simultaneously (somehow).


There are an infinite number of these universes, stated at several points, primarily in comics.
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(TFCC Balancing Act, #3)


(Wreckers: Finale)
Another confirmation of there being Endless Realities, but also that Primus is watching all of them. (A big part of this story is that Primus draws Unicron to eat a universe like a beacon, so there's an explanation for why he isn't more active in conflicts across the multiverse.)

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Anything that can happen, does happen, in addition to the infinite reiteration, as its own universe.


Transformers x Back to the Future also confirms that purely hypothetical universes also exist.
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We also have two other confirmations that all possible versions of the universe exist.
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Primus himself directly confirms this.

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And we get another example of all possible permutations of the universe being said to exist during TFCC.

Vector Prime also confirms the multiverse is "limitless"
However, this is where it begins to grow far more complicated, but also far bigger for the scope of this hobby (higher infinities and all that jazz) . Transformers makes considerable use of branch universes from an original timeline.


Since the Marvel G1 era of Transformers, actions are stated to spawn whole new realities.
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Transformers G1 (US) Issue #69

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Another example of this.

We actually see this happen at the end of More than Meets the Eye's Elegant Chaos arc (Issues 36-38), where Perceptor states their hijinks gave birth an infinite number of branch universes.
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Vector Prime also elaborates on this event


Essentially, there are "deterministic" universes out there with no branches (this is the only one ever seen in TF fiction however), but their experiments altered the celestial mechanics of their universe to allow branch points. Vector does state a "what-if" this was the birth of the multiverse, however we have witnessed that birth from Primus and Unicron's own perspectives, both of whom are beyond time, and thus far more reliable than Perceptor or Brainstorm. I consider this just a "what-if" and not as decisive of an explanation like the ones covered earlier.

In the context of IDW, this is reinforced by Tarantulas' later actions during Requiem of the Wreckers. Key word here, divergent realities. These are offshoots from IDW's original timeline, not just hurling people into the other independent neighboring universes.
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Branch universes get far crazier though.

For starters, each universe has infinite pasts and infinite futures.

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This was actually even alluded to decades ago in Reaching the Omega Point #1 Covenant


But here's where it gets truly ridiculous.



Note the bold. There are an Uncountable Infinity of states of being for a given universe to exist within. These are not mere hypotheticals for two main reasons. 1. Vector himself confirms later in the paragraph that the universes they stabilize into can be catalogued, though he sees it unnecessary. 2. We already have confirmation all possible universes exist from Primus directly, which would include these. I am not the biggest mathematic expert, but generally speaking an Uncountable Infinity is larger than any "Countable Infinity" can ever be. I recommend reading up on this on your own because it's all a big headache. And this is all just what spawns from a single timeline. As I cover Multiversal Singularities later, we will also see that even in the event these were short-lived (which does happen in TF), for scaling purposes this does not make any character "lesser" as Singularity characters perceive the various branch and bubble universes.

Now, does Transformers usually adhere to this ridiculously huge number of universes? Absolutely not, but it remains canon nonetheless and this is far from uncommon in fiction in general.

Further elaboration on branch universes occurs here in AvP.

Additionally, the mobile game Transformers: Forged to Fight also backs this up.



https://transformers-forged-to-fight.fandom.com/wiki/Exodus_Protocol
"This world" being New Quintessa, stated to have "countless timelines". The infinite multiverse itself is still considered beyond this. Forged to Fight is also the only TF story to just directly come out and say the multiverse is made of other multiverses, which was implied but not touched on until this.

https://transformers-forged-to-fight.fandom.com/wiki/Gorilla_in_the_Mist



https://transformers-forged-to-fight.fandom.com/wiki/Nothing_and_Everything

Related Universal Streams are then grouped into larger "Universal Clusters" which are the continuity families we are familiar with (G1, Movie, Animated etc.). There are 16 known clusters (one of which includes Real Life), but there is no stated known number of them, only a vague allusion to them forming slowly over time.

Connected to the main Multiverse is the Megaverse, tangential connected universes/multiverses to Transformers' own. Crossovers largely fit into this category. For example, universes like Takara's various Brave series (GaoGaiGar etc.) are in the Cymond Cluster, which straddles the multiversal/megaversal border.





The Omniverse is a bit different. It has actually been mentioned in the early 2000s, but has only been sparingly referenced in Transformers since then. Vector Prime's basic explanation is as follows


Now note Vector bizarrely claims the TF multiverse is "only" millions of realities here, but he contradicts himself on this about 5 other times where he refers to it as "limitless" or "infinite". In this same passage that he states its realities are in the "tens of quadrillions" he specifically namedrops Uncountable Infinities again in reference to it. Thus we can conclude the omniverse utterly dwarfs the main multiverse.

The big question here is, does anyone scale to this at all? The answer is something along the lines of "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh"



Planet Sandra is a pretty weird feat. Due to Primus/Cybertron's nature as a linchpin of reality/ies, blowing one up destabilizes reality so much that it can ripple out into the omniverse and destroy or merge local universes entirely.





(elaboration on Cybertron's nature as the axis of reality)

At the very least this would confirm the god tier characters' range extends that far. We next have these statements from the Vok.

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(Primeval Dawn Issue 1)

For all intents and purposes, the Vok are omniscient. They exist across all divergent realities, consciousness, dimensions, and they 1. are subservient to Primus (the grand plan is of Primus' doing not The One, referring to Primus as The One is just a sort of odd quirk this comic has) 2. state quite clearly Unicron's agents (subservient and miniscule in comparison to himself) are a virus on the omniverse. There is another notable, and more clear, example of this but it requires its own section.

In addition to a ridiculously large multiverse/etc. Transformers also possesses higher dimensions. How many is a point of contention, for starters...


We know from Vector Prime, a higher dimensional entity himself, that there are 17 basic dimensions.


Hirofumi Ichikawa's Alternity stories are the only ones thus far to truly delve into higher dimensional mechanics, though he makes specific references Brane Cosmology, and demonstrates repeatedly that higher dimensions dwarf and transcend the lower ones utterly.

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(I want to note there is another Alternity story that states the 2D world was boundless, so limited in this context probably just means in the context comparing it to the 3rd dimension and so on)

However there is some scant evidence that there may actually be "countless" higher dimensions, though this is debatable. The first of these examples is as follows.
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Despite the comedic tone, this script reading is canon and takes place in-between issues of Universe 2003's comics. Notably, it differentiates "countless dimensions, myriad realities, and many future story arcs". While it is possible they simply meant "universes" twice, the separation of the two items in the sentence and the lack of any further clarity lead me to take it at face value as much as I'd like to try and "authorial intent" it to just mean universes. Like above with the omniverse, there is another more clear example, for its own section later. Countless of course, is not always synonymous with "infinite", though I want to note that within Transformers it generally is used interchangeably.


Unsurprisingly Transformers has many unusual other planes that don't necessarily fit into the standard box of a "universe" or "dimension". There are only two I really want to cover now, though in the future this may be expanded as I learn more.

-Astral Plane
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Sparingly mentioned, the Astral Plane is the psychic realm that exists beyond time and space, and was one of the realms the original Unicron and Primus fought in, and was also what Primus used to bind Unicron to a physical form, weakening him and creating the robot Orson Welles we all know and love.

In Beast Wars Reborn we get note that transcending time is specifically needed to access it.

https://web.archive.org/web/2020092...ars-reborn-chapter-2-of-4-master-of-the-game/

As this is where the original whole Unicron and Primus battled and the 13 often reside it appears to be one of the highest known points of the Transformers cosmology.

-Infraspace

Introduced in IDW's 2005 comics, Infraspace is an abstract conceptual realm existing between life and death.
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(Escalation Issue 6)
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(Unicron Issue 6)
There's not much more to this one, it doesn't pop up too often.
Remember how I mentioned the omniverse and countless dimensions being clarified? This was what needed its own section to explain why.


So.
There is absolute concrete evidence that Unicron was stated to be destabilizing the omniverse and clarification on Transformers having 'countless dimensions' in it

The catch?

It's from an unused pitch Furman did for his Cybertron followup comic, and is thus non-canon
BUT
We just learned sometimes this unused material still counts as canon earlier. Let's revisit and see what Vector says specifically about this.

For reference here is the quote again


So it's slightly ambiguous, but we know these things can be "true and accurate conclusions" or "microcontinuities" (from a VS perspective, these are the branching parallel universes off the originals). Or absent from the multiverse. Let's examine Furman's pitch to see if there's any validity here, and what we can learn from it.

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Right off the bat Furman references the end of his Energon comics, where Unicron is wrecked by seismic charges. These were never published, but are canon via AVP. The next few paragraphs here line up with what we know from Cybertron/Galaxy Force as well as their tie-in comics. The highlighted red is where things get interesting. Transcribed below.


While the Botcon script can be criticized as vague for its 'countless dimension' statement (though I disagree, doesn't make sense to list three items but the first two are the same) this one...really can't be interpreted that way. Realities are full-stop, universes. If Unicron can only be in one at a time but exists across countless dimensions, then those dimensions obviously are not realities/timelines/universes etc. While the concept has been played with a lot and the weird acausal nature of the character makes it hard to understand, most material of the period depicted Unicron as popping into Unspace to observe universes that it would then enter and consume. One at a time from its perspective but not to anyone else because...he's outside time. This is clearly not talking about that, it's stating he exists in one universe while his "greater" existence extends further. Furman also wrote both Universe and its botcon scripts, as well as this pitch.

Additionally, the idea of all Unicrons being one actually originates from a word of god statement Furman gave in an interview in OTFCC #1.
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My perspective: I think this entire pitch, given it near fully lines up with the known canon, is at worst still usable as word of god statements. It also helps that this is really the most comprehensive explanation of what the Unicron Singularity/Grand Black Hole is actually doing, even more clear than TFCC's Balancing Act is.

However, that's not all.



We just covered earlier that the Vok also considered Unicron an omniversal plague. This corroborates that showing the black hole destabilized the omniverse.

Furthermore consider Planet Sandra, where we already know even destroying one Cybertron can cause damage that extends all the way into the omniverse and can warp and fuse other local universes together. Is it really that ridiculous that the Singularity destroying countless universes and Cybertrons would not have similar, if not even worse effects, due to the more fundamental way Unicron destroys things? "Omniverse" has also never been used synonymously in Transformers with the main multiverse to my knowledge.


This is also backed up by Balancing Act, though some details were either changed or eschewed. Ramjet tries to convince Vector to help revive Unicron due to the balance of good and evil destroying everything. The Decepticon Matrix kills a Cybertron. We just are never shown how Ramjet got said Matrix (especially given all Unicrons are "dead" at that point in the comic).
EDIT: Nemesis Prime's TFCC bio does explain the Dead Matrix more, though its role to reset the balance in the TFCC comic is ultimately the same. This also explains much more clearly how Unicron being 'evil' itself ruins existence if he's gone (though he was still sort of alive because he can't actually die, and Ramjet also says evil still exists but also that it's out of balance etc. it's weird)

If it were any other series I would not advocate for using something unpublished at all, but this is the one series with a messed up enough canon to actually say unpublished stuff is real. At the very least I think it's usable as word of god explanations for how the singularity works. The only thing that actually directly contradicts anything is where it goes into Dreamwave's cybertron being destroyed (it says G1 but Furman specifies it's War Within G1 i.e. DreamWave) but...that may not actually be a contradiction at all? As Dreamwave was cancelled (fuck you Pat Lee), there's nothing conflicting with this, and Furman even called it a "short lived bubble universe" in Transformers: Earth Wars. This would certainly explain why it's "short-lived" lol. Whether you accept these is up to you, but this is my stance on this pitch. It was also actually collected in a book published by IDW, while Alignment, another Furman penned story, was not, and yet is constantly referenced and stated to be an accurate retelling. If something completely unpublished by Hasbro/Takara at all can get that treatment, then this should be even more valid.
Unspace, also commonly known as Transwarp (among many other titles) is an important but little understood factor of the Transformers cosmology. A void of nonexistence that exists outside of the multiverse as well as between it and other realities, it is fundamental to most Transformer space travel, though they have no clue how it works, or even know it exists most of the time. As covered earlier by Vector Prime

Unspace exists outside of the multiverse, though given it's sort of just "nothing" it's a meaningless distinction. Unspace is one of the least consistent things within Transformers, sometimes obliterating people from existence instantly, and sometimes just sort of functioning like a void. One handwave reason is given here, its properties change in completely random misunderstood ways, based on factors nobody actually has a clue about.

The other is more bizarre.
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According to Ramjet's bio, not only is Unspace a "timeless non-space", apparently math itself is complete malfunctioning nonsense there. Keep in mind this is a place Unicron calls home and navigates effortlessly, and even in a half-dead state during the Universe War, the Elder Gods that allegedly "dwarfed him in evil" never made an attempt on him. (I am not a believer in any of the Elder Gods' hype given their relative lack of feats when they finally showed up in IDW's Infestation 2)

Unspace itself also seems to delete beings from existence, though the essence of gods can prevent this.
The Shroud is perhaps Transformers' only "Crisis" style series wide multiversal franchise changing event. However, like everything else, there's a lot of context behind it that's important to get the full scope of what's going on. First let's look at what The Shroud actually is.
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Nexus Prime uses the power of two reality warping artifacts, the Star Saber and the Terminus Blade, to strengthen the boundaries between universes and limit travel. This cuts apart singularities including even Primus and Unicron. Generally speaking, it is a tremendous nerf to the setting.

But it's never quite that simple is it.

In typical transformers fashion, not only did Japan continue to publish multiversal Primus/Unicron stories years after this event, even Ask Vector Prime makes clear that it's not known what exactly the Shroud completely affected. The Transformers: Cyberverse cartoon uses the multiverse extensively, as does Furman's penned Transformers: Earth Wars game, all of which come after the Shroud.


Essentially...it may have missed some spots, explaining why the Generations Selects manga explicitly have multiversal travel and even single instances of "Post-Shroud" Unicron threatening the multiverse. There has been no other confirmation about this, so all we have to go by is publishing date. The only other piece of clarification we've gotten to date is a Word of God statement from another AvP writer on the Going Full Sorenson blog


So Post-Shroud Unicron does and doesn't exist at the same time. Sure, why not. (Cartoon Unicron not being a part of the singularity seems to be something writers disagree on, as Furman explicitly considered it the same).

The Shroud also revealed that Shattered Glass was its own multiverse, previously under the effects of its own Shroud...undone, by the one performed upon the "original" multiverse. Bizarre implications here.
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One of the most important concepts to understand as far as cosmic Transformers characters go are the idea of "multiversal singularities", gods or godlike beings that exist as one entity across the multiverse and beyond. While Simon Furman, as quoted earlier, considered Unicron to be one character across all realities, the concept was not fleshed out much beyond this until Forest Lee added to it. Here is his explanation of how it works.



Essentially a multiversal singularity is, as TFWiki describes it, a living quantum event. There is one being existing across many, sometimes all, universes while at the same time...not necessarily doing that.
This gives them unique abilities, which is why all of the strongest characters fall into this bracket.
For one, while they can be killed in a universe in their lower-dimensional form, this doesn't actually kill their true self. Vector Prime was even still able to monitor a universe he had died in.

Additionally, all singularities shown (The 13, Primus, and Unicron) are monstrously strong. Vector Prime immediately after awakening as a singularity's first act was to hurl a guy into a big bang (or hit him so hard it caused a big bang, up to some interpretation there).


Vector Prime has also even stopped Universal Clusters from collapsing before. As we went over earlier, even a single timeline within these clusters has an Uncountable Infinity of divergent universes.



In addition to his other abilities, such as causality manipulation and the ability to exist beyond time.
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Mind you the above applies only to his "avatar" form. While Singularities were meant to be one person across all existence, the concept over time evolved such as that they had many different bodies across the realities. This is also why certain versions, like the movie The Fallen, are far weaker than other counterparts. Their avatars' strength fluctuates in comparison to the higher dimensional wave entity. The multiple bodies concept was first directly stated in Beast Wars Reborn #4



As seen here, the 13 can even absorb souls of other cosmic beings on their own level, though it bears difficulty.

While appearances of the 13's true power are rare, we also know Solus shattered the Star Saber, a weapon capable of destroying the Transformers multiverse and providing likely most of the power behind the Shroud.


A member of the 13 even has enough psychic power to drive away a weakened Unicron, as Liege Maximo once showed, though it killed that current body he was using
The Tree of Life is an esoteric concept appearing in Bob Skir's short story Singularity Ablyss. While it's not been referenced since to my knowledge, it has tremendous implications for Transformers' cosmology, and thus its tiering. As I understand it Bob Skir is of Jewish faith, and drew heavily from Kabbalah for this story regarding the Transformers afterlife, the Allspark (also called the Matrix and later called Afterspark)

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The Kingdom is the corporeal plane, in Angel-Rhinox's words it is "less than a fraction of the top of an iceberg" and "the surface of the mirror, a vehicle for creatng an image that yet contains neither mass nor value"

As far as interpretation goes, this cannot be referring to "just" this universe among many, because they are ascending past it in the story. Reality is below them even as they reach the absolute base of the Tree of Life, and Rhinox even says that "The Kingdom is a mere facade behind which lies the larger world" and "All that you experienced in the Kingdom was mere metaphor for the journey ahead"

"Reality is one of those concepts you are going to have to relinquish"

So the multiverse as we know it seems to be at the base of the tree. We can confirm this isn't simply some kind of higher dimension because those are not connected to the afterlife at all, they are simply places where higher beings like the Alternity or the Omega Guardians live, with the latter's corpse even becoming a nexus of various universes. Reality, universes, dimensions, etc. are metaphor compared to the fullness of Primus.

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The next Spheres Splendor and Eternity, they go on about how matter and energy transform and have no beginning or end. The fullness of space and time is described as being without beginning or end.
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Just wanted to note here it says the Matrix (Allspark or AfterSpark in this context) is the source of all things. Not sure what to make of this, it could certainly be true as in some origins The One did not actually create reality, at least not intentionally.
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These realms seem to be pure information, what it's interesting is at the end here Megatron says everything he experiences in the Tree of Life is more real than his life. Given the context of the story I don't think this is just flowery language.
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Allspark described as omniscient and omnipresent, as well as infinite. BW Megatron is so full of himself he decides to kill himself and an Angel rather than join the Allspark. He survives and decides he's going to absorb every spark he can and try to take over the GodHead. Obviously this doesn't work, but his last lines are pretty cool.
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The Allspark is an aspect or the essence of Primus, and is where all sparks come from, and it utterly dwarfs the multiverse as we understand it to the point it deems it a metaphor for a more real form of existence (and this was before Megatron ever encountered the Crown, which he never merged with or fully understood). Massive implications for cosmology here, as Primus is essentially only the lesser half of Unicron.

Bob Skir has also given an interview recently where he speaks on this story.

Excellent blog, very comprehensive!
 

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Are these two the same character cause the wiki says their not??
actually have no idea I can’t remember a RazorClaw being in the manga, maybe I didn’t read that one. I know the Universe Razorclaw is still alive and out there somewhere though
Excellent blog, very comprehensive!
thank you! It took a lot of work, there are still some bits I want to touch up (for one thing Withered Hope goes into Unspace more so I’d look to comb through it more thoroughly) but I think the main important points of the cosmology are all finally in one easily accessible place for anyone to interpret
 
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In the bayformers The fallen is an omniversal tyrant can open Space-time portals and draws their powers,Unmake creation and uses the Big Bang as an energy source
 

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