Transformers feats/discussion

[Thirteen prime]

Apparently, just like in Cybertron, we have an infinite number of universes for the Unicron trilogy series and comics. I showed this a long time ago.

The amount of reality that they managed to scan reaches 75 million.

 

[Thirteen prime]

And as always, unicron absorbs planets and reality after reality and even managed to absorb the reality stream.

 

[Thirteen prime]

so theyre searching for the others across an area of a billion light years, wing saber didnt have the power to do all that

so he probably wouldnt get full scaling to that, though we do see him zipping by whole planets so he could get... something?? planets in media are usually depicted much closer than they should be though

He was running out of energy but even if he had overcome even a small part of it, it would have been a huge Mftl++.

Moreover, they use interstellar communication since Cybertron was at least outside the known galaxy (this was already in the armada) this also shows at the time of the flight of the Wing saber since a significant part of the space around Cybertron is distorted due to the singularity and it is generally somewhere else without distortion.

Moreover, after he declares that he is running out of energy, he rather casually covers this distance in a short period of time.

 

[Hmm1010]

Decepticons fly lightyears away from Cybertron in a short amount of time. No concrete timeframe is given but the events of the comic happens subsequently, so the above scan happens in a short timeframe. Source:Transformers: Defiance.

Also, the above green aliens are a space faring race that prior to the above scans, attacked Cybertron a short while ago, meaning they are advanced enough to have things such as FTL technology, yet Decepticons stomped them.

Decepticons didn't use space bridge tech here as they didn't have the technology at the time. Sentinel invented his personal space bridge technology at the very end of the Cybertronian war, while the above scan is from before the war started. Also, the Dynasty era personal space bridge technology was lost, that's why Sentinel had to recreate it.

Also, they didn't use a starship either, as that (Nemesis) only gets built in a later issue of the comic series. You can clearly see that Decepticons just flew in their own altmodes without using any ship in the above scans anyway.

 

[Hmm1010]

1.) AllSpark changes a rocky planet to Cybertron. Its energy waves are visible from space. Source: Defiance.

Also, you can also see in the last panel of the above scan that only Seekers had the ability to teleport, not other bots.

2.) With the power of the AllSpark, the fabric of reality was warped to bring in a star near Cybertron. Source: Foundation.

When AllSpark was removed from its place, the star immediately went back to its previous place.

3.) Replica AllSpark was going to destroy Earth as well as likely much of the solar system. Source: Nefarious.

Yet, it is but a pale shadow of the original:

Also, Optimus's Spark can apparently contain the power of the fake AllSpark temporarily, but at the cost of his own life. Make of that what you will.

 

[Thirteen prime]

One of Unicron's aspects states that simply passively fighting him makes him stronger and stronger by draining his energy, and as long as there is fighting and hatred, he will be invulnerable to attack.

"Even as I speak, I am feeding off the energy of anger, making me stronger with each passing second... with each attack they feed me. As long as Hatred exists, I will be invulnerable to attack."

Carelessly regenerates part of his body and head.

He casually subdued the minds of Megatron, the children, and all the Minicons, of which there were several million, and sent them into a fantasy world.

 

[Hmm1010]

1.) AllSpark changes a rocky planet to Cybertron. Its energy waves are visible from space. Source: Defiance.

Also, you can also see in the last panel of the above scan that only Seekers had the ability to teleport, not other bots.

2.) With the power of the AllSpark, the fabric of reality was warped to bring in a star near Cybertron. Source: Foundation.

When AllSpark was removed from its place, the star immediately went back to its previous place.

3.) Replica AllSpark was going to destroy Earth as well as likely much of the solar system. Source: Nefarious.

Yet, it is but a pale shadow of the original:

Also, Optimus's Spark can apparently contain the power of the fake AllSpark temporarily, but at the cost of his own life. Make of that what you will.

If I had to wank a bit, in the 2007 movie, when Megatron's spark was united with the AllSpark, his body absorbed the energies of the cube to the point that the cube was destroyed in the process. But I admit this is wanky.

 

[OtherGalaxy]

One of Unicron's aspects states that simply passively fighting him makes him stronger and stronger by draining his energy, and as long as there is fighting and hatred, he will be invulnerable to attack.

"Even as I speak, I am feeding off the energy of anger, making me stronger with each passing second... with each attack they feed me. As long as Hatred exists, I will be invulnerable to attack."

Carelessly regenerates part of his body and head.

He casually subdued the minds of Megatron, the children, and all the Minicons, of which there were several million, and sent them into a fantasy world.

i really need to actually watch Armada


(for some reason I’ve seen Energon and Cybertron but not the big A)

 

[Claudio Swiss]

 

[Hmm1010]

One of Unicron's aspects states that simply passively fighting him makes him stronger and stronger by draining his energy, and as long as there is fighting and hatred, he will be invulnerable to attack.

"Even as I speak, I am feeding off the energy of anger, making me stronger with each passing second... with each attack they feed me. As long as Hatred exists, I will be invulnerable to attack."

Carelessly regenerates part of his body and head.

He casually subdued the minds of Megatron, the children, and all the Minicons, of which there were several million, and sent them into a fantasy world.

I think ROTB also had something similiar where Primal said Unicron cannot die as long as evil exists.

i really need to actually watch Armada


(for some reason I’ve seen Energon and Cybertron but not the big A)

I only watched the last episodes of Armada involving Unicron.

 

[Hmm1010]

I noticed something about this ROTF PS2 game feat where Optimus stops Star Harvester's beam by bullrushing himself and Fallen into the beam, in which Optimus tanks the resultant explosion.
Timestamp: 7:20

I showed this feat before. However, I didn't notice that after that cutscene, the loading screen has a text saying that Earth will see another day since Optimus stopped Fallen and the Harvester.
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This of course means that the PS2 version of the Star Harvester would have destroyed the Sun within a day. This shows the power of the beam that Optimus tanked.

If the PS2 video game Optimus indeed tanked the Star Harvester beam here, then he survived at least a Large Planet blast, since the Harvester was going to destroy the Sun within a day.

I divided the minimum star level energy posted here by the amount of seconds in a day to get the minimum energy Optimus would have tanked, which came out at Large Planet level range.

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IDK how other people interpret this scene, but to me it simply looks like Optimus throwing himself and Fallen directly into the path of the beam dissipates the beam, so that is my view.

 

[Blade]

 

[Thirteen prime]

Guys, what do you know about the Zero Space, and where this plane of existence should stand in the cosmological chain, from its description it is somewhat reminiscent of Primus itself, since this kingdom is the absolute beginning and end of all things, where everything and nothing comes together in a perfect singularity.

 

[grillmaster]

oh yeah, Zero Space IS reminiscent of Primus, because its literally the hole left behind in reality after Unicron killed him (and Xaaron, salute to a real one) in Issue 75

 

[OtherGalaxy]

Guys, what do you know about the Zero Space, and where this plane of existence should stand in the cosmological chain, from its description it is somewhat reminiscent of Primus itself, since this kingdom is the absolute beginning and end of all things, where everything and nothing comes together in a perfect singularity.

from what I could tell after rereading a bit Zero Space was all of the infinite pasts and futures of the Marvel G1 timeline and where they met, but it was sealed off from the rest of the multiverse and the Matrix Entity was manipulating Rodimus and sending him through Marvel G1 adjacent worlds to try and get him to free it

It seemed to drive home the “every universe has endless variations of itself” idea to me, as the comic is really explicit about Zero Space embodying all the Marvel G1 timelines, but it being separate from the rest.


Reaching here but I would assume this means each universe probably has its own Zero Space where all their alternates are connected? This isn’t stated but given the Matrix Entity could get to the wider multiverse from Zero Space it shows there’s some connection

 

[grillmaster]

oh yeah, Zero Space IS reminiscent of Primus, because its literally the hole left behind in reality after Unicron killed him (and Xaaron, salute to a real one) in Issue 75

so that individual primus's death in that reality expunged him from across the ENDLESS SPLINTER REALITIES of the marvel comics universe

low end thats still multiversal+, high end thats megaversal accounting for the uncountable infinities in both pasts and futures

 

[OtherGalaxy]

so that individual primus's death in that reality expunged him from across the ENDLESS SPLINTER REALITIES of the marvel comics universe

low end thats still multiversal+, high end thats megaversal accounting for the uncountable infinities in both pasts and futures

thats pretty insane actually


another huge debunk for Unicron and Primus capping at universal, I didn’t even realize the scope of that feat

 

[grillmaster]

yeah neither did i until a while ago, but its just straight up stated, let me find the quote again

ayo hold on a second
Hot Rod says
"Zero is just the void. Left behind when Primus was extinguished from this plane of existence. A void YOU filled like the parasite you are."

 

[grillmaster]

heres the scans the quote comes from

As I understand it, Zero space is a membrane between infinite worlds.
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Zero space is described as a separate plane of existence of pure nothingness, and as Anti matrix pointed out, it is the lower part of the multiverse from which he wants to rise.
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The multiverse is stated several times to be infinite and containing infinite worlds.View attachment 1795View attachment 1796View attachment 1797
Zero space embraces the entire multiverse, a realm where everything and nothing collapses into ideal singularities. Zero space is the absolute beginning and end of all space and time.View attachment 1798View attachment 1799

now to simplify

Zero Space = All pasts and futures of the Marvel Comics Universe/Primax 984.0 Gamma
For simplicitys sake, i might simplify this to Zero Space being equivalent to a Universal Stream (though i should probably look back through the meaning of Universal Stream again to see if i can find anything*)

Zero Space = the Void left behind after Unicron kills Primus (IE Issue 75 of the Marvel US comic)

Primus therefore once filled that void, thus existing across all the branch timelines of that universe
so Primus had multiversal+-megaversal existence across all realities and Unicron murdered him with laser eyes

*: i did see it mentioned while browsing tfwiki super quick to doublecheck reality terminology, that in Withered Hope, Optimus destroying Unicron at the end of issue 75 was mentioned as creating many universal streams
i should go through Withered Hope some time

 

[grillmaster]

wait the Universe featuring the Wreckers comics the Oracle says it sees a time when the "Allspark shatters"

The Allspark and the Tree of Life are effectively the same thing

the Universe comics are about one of Unicron's many convoluted schemes from outside reality

I don't know how seriously to take this, but the Tree and Primus were always half of Unicron at his height anyways, and in Linkage he showcased he had the ability to destroy other afterlifes. It wouldn't necessarily conflict with anything I guess? Just be a case of massively unintended scale on the writer's part maybe?

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