Transformers feats/discussion

[Blade]

7527118300000001024 kilograms at 547 kilometers per second
this yields 1.1260907697124E+30 joules, or over 0.269 zettatons, or 269.14... exatons

my lil nigga cant just say the zettatons calc is planet levels and the exatons one is multi continental levels, and uses all these numbers to confuse the average tf lurker even more

in other words, the multi continental one is the canon one, not bad

 

[OtherGalaxy]

Because they are connected through the comic cybertron linkage is definitely connected.

the cybertron comic is a weird and complex case. FunPub lists it as the extremely helpful "?????" when answering whether it directly connected to the animated continuity, tfwiki has a universal stream designation for it separate from the cartoon, however when I dug into that further the source actually wasn't for that, and was apparently a weirdo designation derived just from Nemesis Prime (Balancing Act/Alternity version, not Armada). It's up in the air. I think it makes more sense for the Cybertron comic to be cartoon aligned given Vector's involvement and such but it's a bizarrely complicated subject with no clear answer I'm aware of

 

[grillmaster]

my lil nigga cant just say the zettatons calc is planet levels and the exatons one is multi continental levels, and uses all these numbers to confuse the average tf lurker even more

in other words, the multi continental one is the canon one, not bad

in my defense i know it looks like pure and utter gibberish half the time, but i much rather show more of the numbers i get, if someone gets a different result/cares enough to look it helps

honesty matters, even if it looks like nonsense at times, its what keeps us from being the IDW wank brigade

though i could and should probably slap a (Planet/Moon/Continental) stamp next to it, i used to do that

 

[Thirteen prime]

my lil nigga cant just say the zettatons calc is planet levels and the exatons one is multi continental levels, and uses all these numbers to confuse the average tf lurker even more

in other words, the multi continental one is the canon one, not bad

Already kicks luffy's ass at base level.

 

[grillmaster]

in my defense i know it looks like pure and utter gibberish half the time, but i much rather show more of the numbers i get, if someone gets a different result/cares enough to look it helps

honesty matters, even if it looks like nonsense at times, its what keeps us from being the IDW wank brigade

though i could and should probably slap a (Planet/Moon/Continental) stamp next to it, i used to do that

also because i like doing math, if hasbro let me in the offices the guidebooks would be full of mechanics and weapon lore


well if they let me in there would BE guidebooks, we need more guidebooks hasbro jesus fucking christ

 

[Blade]

in my defense i know it looks like pure and utter gibberish half the time, but i much rather show more of the numbers i get, if someone gets a different result/cares enough to look it helps

nah, the result is about fine, even i quick eyeballed it to continental+ levels, at least

multi continental levels, is more than fine, and usually i am very close to accuracy, cuz of exp and all, without doing calcs and all

your effort was rather good

 

[Thirteen prime]

Apparently the distance between the moon and the earth in TF is greater than in the present, approximately 240,000 miles, Megatron in the armada comics traveled between the moon and the earth in an unknown amount of time.

 

[Blade]

Already kicks luffy's ass at base level.

not base luffymus prime though, oda pm'd me this, after reading ur post

 

[grillmaster]

It seems like Omega Supreme mentioned that this probably increases the capabilities by 10 times.
@grillmaster

i thought i replied to this, but this is actually helpful (though that is Rodimus talking ABOUT Omega Supreme and Optimus linked)
as it reinforces that 10x seems to be the go-to multiplier when there otherwise is none

energon weapons: 10-20x stronger than normal

optimus w/overload powerlinx : 10x firepower boost

cartoon powerlinx: "increase power tenfold" 10x boost

as a placeholder if we assumed minicons were the same, this means megatrons leader 1 amp would be 2.69 zettatons and galvatron tanked it point blank and almost crippled him with a slap

 

[Thirteen prime]

nah, the result is about fine, even i quick eyeballed it to continental+ levels, at least

multi continental levels, is more than fine, and usually i am very close to accuracy, cuz of exp and all, without doing calcs and all

your effort was rather good

Weaker than the neutralizing headcanon Rom.

 

[Thirteen prime]

i thought i replied to this, but this is actually helpful (though that is Rodimus talking ABOUT Omega Supreme and Optimus linked)
as it reinforces that 10x seems to be the go-to multiplier when there otherwise is none

energon weapons: 10-20x stronger than normal

optimus w/overload powerlinx : 10x firepower boost

cartoon powerlinx: "increase power tendolf" 10x boost

as a placeholder if we assumed minicons were the same, this means megatrons leader 1 amp would be 2.69 zettatons and galvatron tanked it point blank and almost crippled him with a slap

That is, he can fight with Omni man but is weaker than Idw antimatter megatron.

 

[grillmaster]

what im really curious about is how strong did the weird unicron battles powerlinx recolor make optimus, was that a ten times boost? if so did he and jetfire both get 10x stronger and then they combine together and are ten times stronger than THAT???
it might be more because assuming a similar process happened to Galvatron he's apparently stronger than he was before with his minicon amp

 

[Thirteen prime]

i thought i replied to this, but this is actually helpful (though that is Rodimus talking ABOUT Omega Supreme and Optimus linked)
as it reinforces that 10x seems to be the go-to multiplier when there otherwise is none

energon weapons: 10-20x stronger than normal

optimus w/overload powerlinx : 10x firepower boost

cartoon powerlinx: "increase power tendolf" 10x boost

as a placeholder if we assumed minicons were the same, this means megatrons leader 1 amp would be 2.69 zettatons and galvatron tanked it point blank and almost crippled him with a slap

Minicons Optimus and Megatron at least in Optimus' case increases his strength well above the average Minicons.

 

[Thirteen prime]

what im really curious about is how strong did the weird unicron battles powerlinx recolor make optimus, was that a ten times boost? if so did he and jetfire both get 10x stronger and then they combine together and are ten times stronger than THAT???
it might be more because assuming a similar process happened to Galvatron he's apparently stronger than he was before with his minicon amp

There is nothing surprising here, it is an analogue of Dragon Ball.

 

[grillmaster]

this whole conversation actually has me wondering just how much parity is there between comic and toy power levels, or honestly just between tf media in general

in his Universe toy bio, Cyclonus is able to sterilize entire worlds on his own

Constructed from the cast-off chassis of deactivated Decepticon warriors, Cyclonus was programmed by Unicron to be loyal only to Galvatron. Powered by nuclear engines, and a small fragment of his creator's supernatural power, Cyclonus wields enough might to sterilize the surface of an inhabited world by himself. He never unleashes this power without his commander's leave, however, and he focuses all of his energy on ensuring that Galvatron is obeyed without question by those under his command.

Thunderwing in both IDW and toys is able to sterilize worlds on the low end and outright shatter planets on the high end

cross scaling is still not a good idea of course but it just has me curious

 

[grillmaster]

Optimus and Superion Maximus survive an explosion that leaves a huge hole in Cybertron.

The super energon cloud easily destroyed several planets, which would probably be comparable to or slightly larger than Earth if compared to Cybertron, and then it was stated that all the super energon gas could destroy the entire universe (this is the Alpha Q universe).

Galvatron and Optimus are inside this gas without any problems except for Optimus.

Optimus absorbed all the super energon gas to become the size of a planet.

Optimus stops the movement of Cybertron which is happening due to super energon.

Omega Supreme is strong enough to move the physical body of Galvatron, who has become as large as Unicron apparently.
https://youtu.be/phAJPfHM8Z4?t=857&si=5udM9v-TcpcCA0O6
Optimus' final impact destroyed Unicron.
https://youtu.be/Ltsg-nr-Uco?t=1129&si=NkDdmF7UtHx-QHSN
Optimus, empowered by Primus' power, releases so much energy that it creates a huge battlefield for him and Unicron.
https://youtu.be/Ltsg-nr-Uco?t=153&si=LxEBMPHT3r4gvtOt
Look how huge it is, Unicron and Optimus who apparently became as big as Cybertron (most likely) together are a very small dot in all of this.
https://youtu.be/Ltsg-nr-Uco?t=1116&si=y1JH4aaQTI17y_Nq

yknow now that thirteen mentioned energon, if optimus supreme is 10x optimus's base how strong is optimus, how strong is galvatron

 

[grillmaster]

what i actually wanna determine is the volume of rock he just blasted into space

View attachment 3414
this was my initial attempt to find how much but that looks like an overestimate to me
could use half of it for like a hemispherical chunk
that would work as a high end i think
this circle is 53 pixels in diameter, so 205.77 kilometers
a hemisphere of that diameter results in 2.280944926679197139937e+21 cubic centimeters of rock
moon rock on average is 3.3 grams per cubic centimeter
7.5271183e+21 grams or 7527118300000001024 kilograms, or 7,527,118,300,000,001 metric tons
good god

now KE time
this is the high end ofc, but
7527118300000001024 kilograms at 547 kilometers per second
this yields 1.1260907697124E+30 joules, or over 0.269 zettatons, or 269.14... exatons

Edit: This puts Armada Megatron around multi-continental to small moon level, though not fully of course

Using the Powerlinx multiplier puts him at 2.69 zettatons, or small planet level

edited to add rough estimations, checked with the old OBD and... Vsbattle wiki (the chart is just easy to reference) either way i think this is a decent high end estimate, though i would be reluctant to go much further than this

 

[grillmaster]

Well, as always, a crazy description of the Requiem blaster, which can use the energy of a supernova, the sound wave of quasars and the gravitational force of black holes.
View attachment 3427

also thinking about this again, the requiem blaster can choose all of these
so it can choose to fire a supernova, fire quasar level sound waves, or fire black hole gravity beams

 

[Kighter]

Requiem Blaster toy

 

[grillmaster]

in that video yeah it says it draws power from black holes to destroy planets, and in tank mode he has to put like a suppressor on the blaster to control its power