Transformers feats/discussion

[grillmaster]

1. some of the lore and visuals are kind of neat but i dislike the early implication that unicron is kind of like a destructive confused child

oh and it straight up says both he and primus know one day they will cease to exist

and all of these things are just really not how i picture primus and especially not unicron it kind of removes some of his "aura" for lack of a better word

 

[Thirteen prime]

В любом случае, они все еще не были частью мультисингулярности, так что на это можно закрыть глаза.

1. Часть сюжета и визуальные эффекты довольно хороши, но мне не нравится ранний намёк на то, что Юникрон похож на деструктивного и запутавшегося ребёнка.

О, и это прямо говорит о том, что и он, и Примус знают, что однажды они прекратят свое существование.

и все эти вещи на самом деле не такие, какими я себе представляю Праймуса и особенно Юникрона, это как бы лишает его "ауры", за неимением лучшего слова

 

[grillmaster]

i sometimes take a minute to find the right words for how the covenant bothers me but i think i figured it out

it just doesnt feel appropriately grand in scope, nor do the primes themselves for that matter

like theyre practicing to jump unicron and they have a... scoreboard??? are they the only beings on cybertron?? i think so?

i personally liked the idea that the thirteen were around to oversee the beginning of cybertronian civilization, and their conflict influenced it and still influences cybertron even eons later

the ancient days of cybertron, when god-kings walked the earth alongside mere mortal men

 

[grillmaster]

Gilgamesh and Enkidu but its Nexus and Onyx Prime gg

 

[grillmaster]

i sometimes take a minute to find the right words for how the covenant bothers me but i think i figured it out

it just doesnt feel appropriately grand in scope, nor do the primes themselves for that matter

like theyre practicing to jump unicron and they have a... scoreboard??? are they the only beings on cybertron?? i think so?

i personally liked the idea that the thirteen were around to oversee the beginning of cybertronian civilization, and their conflict influenced it and still influences cybertron even eons later

the ancient days of cybertron, when god-kings walked the earth alongside mere mortal men

also because having ancient decepticons fighting alongside the fallen like in the ROTF flashback gives war in heaven vibes and thats always cool

 

[Optimus Prime 654]

damn you sideways i cant tell if this is true or bullshit

lmao

 

[Thirteen prime]

 

[Thirteen prime]

So even Sideways is one of Unicron's cells, Unicron's regeneration due to this fact is comparable to or superior to the regeneration of Sideways and Nemesis prime.

Battles, hatred, rage, death feed Unicron with energy, making him stronger and stronger.

As in the armada, as long as all this exists, Unicron is invincible and will be restored as long as all this exists.


The fantasy world created by Unicron to contain the consciousness of living beings is his universe, and he can also absorb consciousness.

 

[Optimus Prime 654]

@OtherGalaxy @Thirteen prime If the Zodiac can recreate universes, in the context does it mean the Zodiac is recreating the multiverse or smth?

 

[OtherGalaxy]

@OtherGalaxy @Thirteen prime If the Zodiac can recreate universes, in the context does it mean the Zodiac is recreating the multiverse or smth?

no? though it does have the power to combine the universes of the Precursor Multiverse, that one isn’t the same as the Old Realms that predate the multiverse as a whole, as basically nothing but gods existed at that time

 

[Optimus Prime 654]

no? though it does have the power to combine the universes of the Precursor Multiverse, that one isn’t the same as the Old Realms that predate the multiverse as a whole, as basically nothing but gods existed at that time

ahh ok thx. But i'm pretty sure it did created the G1 World which in some cases was said to be a multiverse.

 

[OtherGalaxy]

ahh ok thx. But i'm pretty sure it did created the G1 World which in some cases was said to be a multiverse.

yeah that’s accurate but I thought you meant the TF multiverse as a whole. These discussions get kinda muddied because TF doesn’t really have clear terminology for a lot of this stuff lol. I try to distinguish “The Multiverse” from regular multiversal feats because TF’s multiverse is a lot bigger than your standard set of infinite universes but that gets lost in translation the second some people hear the word multiverse

But yes it did create the G1 world/Japanese G1 continuity, as the Star Powers did that in the manga and the Silver Matrix/Zodiac is all seven star powers merged

 

[Optimus Prime 654]

But yes it did create the G1 world/Japanese G1 continuity, as the Star Powers did that in the manga and the Silver Matrix/Zodiac is all seven star powers merged

I mean, wasn't that Primus' Silver Matrix the one merging all star powers? Like Primus' Silver Matrix was said to be different from Star Convoy's.

 

[OtherGalaxy]

I mean, wasn't that Primus' Silver Matrix the one merging all star powers? Like Primus' Silver Matrix was said to be different from Star Convoy's.

iirc Star Convoy's was just depleted of star power at the time, Primus refers to it as empty and then goes to steal the star power from the other holders during the Finale chapters

 

[Optimus Prime 654]

iirc Star Convoy's was just depleted of star power at the time, Primus refers to it as empty and then goes to steal the star power from the other holders during the Finale chapters

ohhh ik now. Iirc he used Star Convoy's Silver Matrix and the big bang cannon to beat SG Optimus and Super Megatron, but got defeated by Neo Primus.

 

[Optimus Prime 654]

@OtherGalaxy where does the Realm of the Primes scale too in both vsbw and obd wiki terms?

 

[OtherGalaxy]

@OtherGalaxy where does the Realm of the Primes scale too in both vsbw and obd wiki terms?

Not sure, I brought it up on VSB as an addendum when I was doing the Tree of Life CRT but they didn't take it very seriously. For this forum, I'd have to go back and reread the relevant stuff but I recall AVP Vector basically confirming the Realm of the Primes is the same across all continuities, so it'd be some kind of more transcendent plane taking that as face value compared to the standard multiverse. Balancing Act also had something about Vector's realm being a place where all possibilities occur simultaneously, though I'm not sure if the two planes are meant to be conflated (and can't remember why I ever thought they should be at the moment)

 

[Thirteen prime]

@grillmaster
You remember the moment in Energon/Superlink when Unicron and Optimus reach the critical temperature level to explode, this explosion was apparently powerful and large enough to threaten all the other planets without the enhancement of the Energon Grid, considering their number and the distance between them, this is a pretty decent feat.

 

[grillmaster]

got damn

 

[Optimus Prime 654]

Not sure, I brought it up on VSB as an addendum when I was doing the Tree of Life CRT but they didn't take it very seriously. For this forum, I'd have to go back and reread the relevant stuff but I recall AVP Vector basically confirming the Realm of the Primes is the same across all continuities, so it'd be some kind of more transcendent plane taking that as face value compared to the standard multiverse. Balancing Act also had something about Vector's realm being a place where all possibilities occur simultaneously, though I'm not sure if the two planes are meant to be conflated (and can't remember why I ever thought they should be at the moment)

wait can you show me that AvP quote where it says the realm is the same across all continuities?