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Transformers feats/discussion

Thirteen prime said:
The effects of dark energon even distort the perception of space and time.
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The more dark energon, the stronger those transformers who have dark energon in themselves, and the more decepticons with dark energon die around their living comrades, the stronger they become, and so on ad infinitum.
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Dark Energon corrupts everything it touches, destroying its structure, causing entropy.
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pretty solid. Also there was one statement in one of the novels that Soundwave's spacebridges can tear through spacetime
 
OtherGalaxy said:
Optimus literally says to Laser Optimus that "he remembers we were 13 once" thats the part I was referring to. Also I have no idea why Laser Optimus wouldn't be considered a prime, Optimus seems to pretty directly spell that out at least.

it's mainly weird for Optimus to mention them once being 13 in regards to Laser Optimus being a Prime, like there's just kinda...no reason to bring that up at all otherwise?
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OtherGalaxy said:
I'm not a fan of Optimus being a 13 member either fwiw but I don't get to pick and choose what's what
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i know i know but i was saying its possible its just funny wording, and he is referring to there once being more than one prime at once
primes as a group rather than him specifically being one of the thirteen

i say this partly because optimus already met vector prime, and well he didnt treat the guy like hes essentially his older brother, nor did vector him
honestly part of the plot hole when prime meets the thirteen in multiple series, like in aligned theyre treated like grand shadowy beings and not like... he personally knows them

it is possibly star convoy build up lol but still my point stands
 
grillmaster said:
i know i know but i was saying its possible its just funny wording, and he is referring to there once being more than one prime at once
primes as a group rather than him specifically being one of the thirteen

i say this partly because optimus already met vector prime, and well he didnt treat the guy like hes essentially his older brother, nor did vector him

it is possibly star convoy build up lol but still my point stands
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Hoping Star Convoy appears in Earth Wars
 
OtherGalaxy said:
Angolmois Energy (the stuff of the Matrix and other gods) is apparently also the “energy” of The One, which is why all of Unicron and Primus’ species have it (Time Walker=Chronarchitect I believe, one of the only survivors of Unicron’s genocide)

Whats also interesting is by stating the Unicron of the cartoon possessed this stuff of The One it makes it seem like cartoon Unicron actually is part of the singularity? Furman has always considered all Unicrons to be the same guy, and I want to say some of the early 2000s BW material did too, though I could be wrong. It’s one of those weird contradictory things.


I have something maybe significant to talk about soon. Not really an unknown discovery, in fact it’s quite old and documented. But it potentially sheds some light on a few things …
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Dark Energon directly affects sparks, the same Megatron, taking it regularly, literally could not go to the afterlife, and dark energon can also ignite or create sparks.
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grillmaster said:
i know i know but i was saying its possible its just funny wording, and he is referring to there once being more than one prime at once
primes as a group rather than him specifically being one of the thirteen

i say this partly because optimus already met vector prime, and well he didnt treat the guy like hes essentially his older brother, nor did vector him
honestly part of the plot hole when prime meets the thirteen in multiple series, like in aligned theyre treated like grand shadowy beings and not like... he personally knows them

it is possibly star convoy build up lol but still my point stands
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to prove my point i went back to this interaction
prime is shocked and honored to meet one of the thirteen
vector tells him one of our own has strayed, and optimus says the original primes


... to be fair i just recalled, even in prime when optimus tells the story of the fight against unicron, he calls the thirteen the primes who preceded him, as if he isnt one of them
 
grillmaster said:

to prove my point i went back to this interaction
prime is shocked and honored to meet one of the thirteen
vector tells him one of our own has strayed, and optimus says the original primes


... to be fair i just recalled, even in prime when optimus tells the story of the fight against unicron, he calls the thirteen the primes who preceded him, as if he isnt one of them
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tbh I just assumed, if anything, it would just indicate Furman was treating Optimus as an instance of a greater whole, but yeah let's see if it ends up being Star Convoy buildup or something. I agree that Optimus himself definitely isn't the same kind of being as Vector
 
OtherGalaxy said:
tbh I just assumed, if anything, it would just indicate Furman was treating Optimus as an instance of a greater whole, but yeah let's see if it ends up being Star Convoy buildup or something. I agree that Optimus himself definitely isn't the same kind of being as Vector
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I'm just hoping that "Star Optimus being one of the first 13 primes born on Cybertron" is smth of a continuity error, but we can still scale Star Optimus to the Thirteen without that statement
 
grillmaster said:

to prove my point i went back to this interaction
prime is shocked and honored to meet one of the thirteen
vector tells him one of our own has strayed, and optimus says the original primes


... to be fair i just recalled, even in prime when optimus tells the story of the fight against unicron, he calls the thirteen the primes who preceded him, as if he isnt one of them
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perhaps we take this too literally, and the idea of optimus being the thirteenth is more of an Avatar: The Last Airbender type situation

i might accept it a little better that way, though we'll see
 
grillmaster said:
perhaps we take this too literally, and the idea of optimus being the thirteenth is more of an Avatar: The Last Airbender type situation

i might accept it a little better that way, though we'll see
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this is more or less what I assumed since neither Optimus is really aware of that kind of higher existence at all, mainly it's just interesting from a narrative POV if Furman is deliberately using the covenant in such an odd way as he normally seems to ignore it in favor of the mythology he directly helped build
 
OtherGalaxy said:
this is more or less what I assumed since neither Optimus is really aware of that kind of higher existence at all, mainly it's just interesting from a narrative POV if Furman is deliberately using the covenant in such an odd way as he normally seems to ignore it in favor of the mythology he directly helped build
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I think furman is gonna take the inspiration from RID 2015 sometime in the future where Optimus met the Thirteen and the primes just amped Optimus, but instead Optimus became Star Convoy.
 
speaking of that, that's another interesting thing about Earth Wars. It's post-shroud but we still have nuRID characters in it, Knockout and Breakdown specifically from Prime and not some alternate similar versions, and even I think TF: One Optimus and Megatron designs were in at some point?


Every day the Shroud looks like it matters less and less lol
 
OtherGalaxy said:
speaking of that, that's another interesting thing about Earth Wars. It's post-shroud but we still have nuRID characters in it, Knockout and Breakdown specifically from Prime and not some alternate similar versions, and even I think TF: One Optimus and Megatron designs were in at some point?


Every day the Shroud looks like it matters less and less lol
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Best outcome ever fr 🔥
 
grillmaster said:
in other news, cyber citys origin is finally revealed

scavenger and wheeljack were aboard it when... THE ENTITY (:mjpls) appeared, ripping a hole in interdimensional space, tore through cyber citys shields and blasted the entire thing into another universe

the AI of the city will self destruct if it thinks its being infiltrated/hacked by THE ENTITY
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now furman is purposefully vagueposting but i want to point out if it really is who i think it is (who else could it be) this means theres still an armada unicron running around

it could be a bait and switch but also only one character in the franchise is ever called The Entity
 
I really hope we get some crazy lore/feats out of this. It's gotta be Unicron and he already had Nova threaten the entire multiverse, so there's gotta be something even crazier in Furman's mind (I hope)
 
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