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Alright fair tbh
But what do you think of the content of my last posts tbh. Do you agree or disagree?
I like it. I read Magic the same way for example. I was also told that's not how you read him, but still. Unsure what your takeaway with the Aurelian vs Gramm is tbh. You think one of them is scum?

Also agree with your read on Ill. But you've read her town before her posts regarding Ral's lynch being led by Boobs. So idk if there's any progression there with your reads.
 
Neat.
Regarding Gramm and Aurelian, I am on a standstill and have to mull on it for a while. Thing is that I kinda checked out of the thread when they were arguing because it felt like a time sink, and it bored me tbh. I do think theres a possibility that 1 of them is scum.

Yeah I gave her a town lean for her read on Gramm iirc. Then it developed to a stronger read by reading more tbh, so thats the progression tbh
 

I mean...nah

I'll provide some further consideration here as to why I think you have great scum equity here.

First and foremost, pains me to say that Saber is scum and has obviously given up here. I say it pains me because it's a rather boring conclusion, but there really is no good explanation for his rather depressive behavior from multiple angles as an innocent town person.

So given this, when I'm solving for what I believe to be the 3rd person involved my assumption is that they are playing around a game state in which both their team mates are being hard pushed with little alternative. This is a game state that a competent scum player would probably respond to by possible trying to put forth alternatives but ultimately requires some degree of bussing

Given Ral's flip, I can likely assume his team mates have utilities that likely make them more worth being kept around (if I'm understanding the role correctly, it really doesn't make much sense). So I think a 3rd mate would most likely opt to bus him and try to shield saber. This is exactly what you did lol.

Finally as far as being ruthless with team mates goes, don't think you are actually, and your treatment of them is likely dependent on several factors. Frankly I think you're too nice to want to hellbus two noobish team members who are feeling nervous right away and would likely do what you can to support them until you no longer could.

So yeah my 3rd slot solve is between you and if I had to take a different guess, the alternative explanation is that 3rd mate is a total sack of potatoes and totally or mostly absent like Nibel.

Of course this house of cards all relies in Saber being scum but once again, I have 0 explanation for anything they have down from a town PoV. "They got overwhelmed by being accused and gave up, as town" is pretty far out seeing his disposition last game.
 
Vote Lynch Grammaton Can you talk to me about your Saber vote and why you didn't vote Ral or Lethic

Should also point out that you did take a swing for Gram yesterday, so you can't really use "I would have tried to open up more options" as scum in your defense because afaik that's what you did!

You can further say here "well I would have done more" but the more clauses you place in this defense, the weaker it's going to be
 
No, I think it is fair to say that I fit in the bill of "trying to nudge and see if other people will follow elsewhere" if I was scum, even though I don't fence-sit with my approaches as a wolf (and here's a clause, but it was said in the last game when I defended my approach on Hime and it is as true here tbh). Either way, it is a fair perspective, although an incorrect one.

Like, you can say that my added clauses weaken my defence, but I have stood by the same ones since the start and I have explained my position on Saber (and Ral). If I opt to bus Ral, I do that without sweat. Like, you point out in this quoted post that I try to swing for Gram instead, but in the longer post you talk about how I opt to bus Ral. And those two things cant really co-exist. I had a scum read on Ral early, but I find it boring to just park there and chill through the whole game (or just follow the vote). It is more fun to look elsewhere too tbh!

I think Saber's silence is damning, but prior to that your reasons to scum read Saber did not sway me to change my read tbh.

My wolf game is being severely underestimated here smh
Like... I dont care that it is clauses. This is just bad scum play. Painting myself into the corner by failing at distancing myself with both teammates is just something that doesnt happen. It is just like how Emil's scum case on me in last game due to how I pushed Hime was incorrect. Regardless whether you think I am ruthless or not, I am not incompetent. Tbh I would look wolfier if Ral flipped town, because the one thing I have been prior to this night is passive and passively give out reads. Passiveness = fine with whats going on.
 
Why did you feel the need to say you're not sure about Gram right as we are discussing him? You're literally copying his case on Aurelian? Should go without saying that he is townie to you, no?
I think you guys got it wrong. I feel Aurelian might be scum and that Gramm and him are not aligned.
 
I think you guys got it wrong. I feel Aurelian might be scum and that Gramm and him are not aligned.

Well no, you said at first you weren't sure about Gram, that's my point

You also just happened to rock up with this informed take minutes after the day had ended. Seems unlikely to be a coincidence, and more likely that you had caught up and decided to not actually check in or post before the day ended.
 

The bolded is only true if you isolate time as a factor, you can very well do both over the course of a day.

I wouldn't say you failed to distance either, I'm reading into your behavior a layer beneath what is being presented and see that you did identify Ral as scummy (in a somewhat roundabout way, by alleging both him and me were playing differently) before arriving at your eventual vote and cementing your position. But you interacted with him and said the correct things, not taking that away from you.

But when it comes to Saber, you provided him with support while he was being pressured and still have a hard time letting go your town read. Your capacity to distance here is not limited by your capability to but being able to do so while still having a shot at reaching your wincon. Someone has to be carried to the finish line and it makes more sense to take Saber over Ral.
 
Ral is faster to make game related posts, or getting to make reads at least, compared to last game. Not sure if I should be mean and FOS that tbh

This is such a mood whiplash tbh
Both from you and Ultra


The thing is however, distancing is a two way street, and with Ral you're working with some pretty rough clay.

I just checked Ral's posts and he didn't respond or mention you a single time. This is despite him reacting and addressing almost every other person who suspected or mentioned him - Gad, Me, Emil, Gram, Magic. Only other exception is Tempest, kinda, but also he hung back quite a lot yesterday.
 




Not gonna throw in everything here but he has extensive responses to most of the people who mentioned him negatively, so it doesn't bode well that he no-sold you. Ral is noob scum and was very transparent with his intentions and discomfort in being suspected.

Now the best counter argument you can make is that he did make sure to respond to Saber...but that's really an argument in favor of Saber than it is an argument in favor of you.
 
End of Night 1
End of Night 1

Illwei has been killed...

MIKE MCLINKTOCK
Mike, you fucking jagoff!
You are Mike McLintock. ....Yikes.

Undressing you with my eyes — Your only power is growing your gay little mustache. And vote.

Win condition: You win when all threats to Selina Meyers' campaign have been eliminated.

It is now Day 2. With 12 alive, it is 7 for majority. You have 24 hours.
 
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