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What are the worst Retcons in fiction

To add another I wish Kishi stuck with his original concept to have Pain as the final villain instead of the revolving door of villains that he couldn't decide on. He also abuses the puppet master trope like I've never seen before.

The countries are at war and at each other's throats but they're being manipulated by Akatsuki, a group of ninja terrorists manipulated by Pain a corpse that's being manipulated by Nagato whose just a war victim manipulated by Obito whose just a cucked man-child manipulated by Madara whose another war victim manipulated by Black Zetsu whose a goopy mama's boy manipulated by Kaguya whose a corrupted tree-hugger running to escape the manipulations of the Otsutsuki.
 
Steven Universe saying that the Diamonds never actually conquered any inhabited worlds; just lifeless ones and ones which only had animals on them. After the show repeatedly said that they conquered worlds, the developers actually had the audacity to call it fanon, condescending much of their audience who was actually interested in the lore. Also that gems are solar powered, meaning there was no reason for them to drain the Earth's biosphere and what was powering the Cluster in the core of the Earth with no sunlight? I'm very apathetic towards the show these days, but it still does have a fuckton of wasted potential.
 
i really dont get why authors pull this Mickey Mouse shit


i haven't watched a show but theres a clip where stevens dad specifically talks about how a ton of people died because of what the gems did lol
 
OtherGalaxy said:
i really dont get why authors pull this Mickey Mouse shit


i haven't watched a show but theres a clip where stevens dad specifically talks about how a ton of people died because of what the gems did lol
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Even if you ignore the "they never attacked any habited worlds" nonsense, they still commited genocide and oppression against their own people (billions of gems where shattered to make the Cluster) as well as wiping out whole ecosystems and biospheres on hundreds of other planets, which even without self-aware life is still awful.
 
Toriyama and Toyataro + Toei deciding that Potara fusions were suddenly just "1-hour" long in duration instead of being permanent in Dragon Ball Super vs Dragon Ball's original use of it. Also changing God Ki from being unique and unfeelable/unsensable to basically saying all Ki from people from different universes is unsensable generally like with Gohan vs Okuni.
 
Impulse said:
So what do you think are the worst retcons or retcons that you really disliked
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dbs turning goku into a such a bad mc, literally dumber and unnecessary battle maniac with a lol smile on his face

all the progress he had had make in z/og manga, got ruined for no reason, cuz of pg era and bad writing combo
 
Blade said:
dbs turning goku into a such a bad mc, literally dumber and unnecessary battle maniac with a lol smile on his face

all the progress he had had make in z/og manga, got ruined for no reason, cuz of pg era and bad writing combo
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The Manga just officially dumpstered him on everything Pre-Raditz(and potentially post Raditz):


This is legit the worst Retcon I have ever seen now.
 
OtherGalaxy said:
fuck it gt is the real canon now
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The more you think about it, the worst this twist is and how much it basically ruins Goku on multiple levels.

-Dude now cares about his parents... but due to Toriyama being Toriyama, he doesn't give a fuck about HIS OWN FAMILY(atleast the Anime Team knew that was retarded and constantly wrote around it)

-Was Goku always going to be evil if he didn't get his memory scrambled or was raised by Grandpa Gohan all along(I always did have my issues with Gine potentially fucking that up but this explicitly puts that into question now even moreso than Gine's existence because atleast she had no problem with killing off other life, just making babies do it)

-So basically everything Goku did is effectively worthless because the Dragon was legit protecting him that whole time(Atleast Pre-Raditz which barely matters worth a damn) which basically ruins the entire point of Dragonball. His meeting with Bulma? Roshi? Krillin? The various enemies he fights to get stronger and him surviving them?

Like dear lord and people STILL want to make excuses for how absolutely shit Toyotaro is and pretend "It'll be better when it's actually out!"
 
OtherGalaxy said:
gt is the real canon now
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let

them

stay

mad

we all know that the canon db trilogy is db ----> dbz -----> dbgt

ssj4 and most of goku time stuff, being on the most selling merchs, for decades now, especially with the dbh power ups, makes it even crazier [you know what i am saying]

meanwhile, dbh [biggest what if crossover series for this series'] still rejects to put toyo chars as part of their roster, that speaks volume alone
 
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