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Positionally they didn't have much of a reason to oppose the Poyser lynch - it reads to me like their positions were somewhat pulled from thin air. And if I consider that the wagons were town v town, the main consideration I expect low confidence scum to have is how they look good off of it. Naturally, defending Poyser does that - better than defending Gad because if they vote against Poyser, they risk him sniping them. For some players, like you, I would expect you to secure the Poyser lynch because you can just say you defer to someone else to get it, but I would see those three as more likely to get nervous about it.
In order, I would say it applies to Watson the most, then Ral, then Fang. Fang is a bit of an outlier - I don't love how he was so sure Poyser was Town, but I don't really think as scum he's that low confidence, so I could see him being town the most.
ok let's leave the hypothetic here for a sec, i understand that post was about what if posyer flips town
i wanna know what you think, do you think he's town or not?
Lethal
T.B.A
How would I be knowing it was a mislynch? I’m not wary of you or anybody anymore. Champs taught me that much. You wanna play let’s play.
Uh yes? Why would I vote where I didn’t agree on the direction? If I leaned wolf on him I’d not hesitate to vote.
OMGUS sure but wow, this sure does have the makings of a wolf Poyser this game. Prance about all day 1 not wanting to get too connected to anyone, being very careful in his play when engaging with gram/ratchet, appeases CP out of caution, then fence sits on fang and exploits the first opportunity to someone else other than he and fang, knowing full well he could then slime up my name for starting the gad wagon. He has ekko pocketed and can have him run around.
Yesterday I gave an 8 out of 10 for confidence of him being scum. Now I would say 6 - I still stand by parts of what I said yesterday, but it's not as though I'm confident on it any longer. So to answer your question directly, I would lean scum, sort of...
i dont agree ratchet, because them defending posyer means they are going against you, cp, and gram, unless you think for some reason poyser scares them more than the 3 of you combined, which is pretty meme at this point, this logic doesnt track with what a weak scum wud be thinking of
it doesnt take a strong scum to realize that poyser's wagon was a freebie and all they needed is vote on it given you guys are taking credit for it anyway
It's not really going against us though, because they'll have Poyser doing it for them. It's much more comfortable to sit back and have that happen rather than pick against him and risk looking bad for it.
and it's not like they were taking a side, they were actively defending posyer
watson, fang, and ral were standing up for posyer against you cp gram
a better argument wud be that poyser is teammate with one of them, but a poyser town flip likely means everyone standing up for him is likely town
i find it jarring that in a posyer town world you look sooner to scum read the people defending him for flimsy/gut reasons than the masses of stronger players brute force pushing him, and i find it more troubling that you consider the former scenario over one where fang/ral/watson are simply openly defending the scum leader poyser because losing him is a big disaster for the team in general
Sorry lad this is kinda all over the place tbh
1. Why is it poor form to suggest you’d be open to taking instruction from a teammate? Very odd thing to say. You’re always very open to help when you’re scum. Never ever ever ever seen you refuse to do something suggested by a teammate to help your thread play. In fact you’ve had decent success doing the opposite. This defence genuinely doesn’t make any sense.
2. I wasn’t saying you would be an arsehole. In both cases you’d be justified for laying into him and you’d know that. One for acting like anybody wagoning him is out of spite and playing the woe is me card (which you hate) and another for refusing to claim his role when he has a wagon on him (another thing you hate). Both anti town play, both issues close to your heart, performed by a player you usually enjoy going for
3. You did indulge it. It’s there in the quote I commented on. “Seems lazy and opportunistic tbh”. Also don’t really believe for a second that you’d actually believe that people were mad at fang and trying to smite him for outplaying them lol. That’s not a thought you’d really have. Ever.
4. You did comment on the argument with tweet being tiresome, but it wasn’t on Fangs side. In fact you said “fangs act of deliberately being obnoxious is tiresome”.
All of this kind of reads like you are just trying to counter what I said rather than explain yourself. You’re saying stuff which is just blatantly not true, and you seemingly can’t keep track of what your own thoughts and opinions were
Also, one other thing. You acknowledged that there was only 6 hours left and also that you had to go, you said you didn’t vibe town on fang. Yet you put your vote on someone with 0 votes as opposed to fang who had 4 votes or even me who had 3. It’s like you acknowledged we had little time to get a lynch over the line and yet as far as you were concerned, you were throwing away your vote on somebody without a wagon. Why? Did fang’s VT claim make you think he was town?
I'm not seeing what point there is here. I think I've explained my perspective adequately, the rest is up to you.
Your position seems to be that the entire scum team would be throwing themselves at Poyser to lynch him Day 1? I don't really see that as likely. Moreover, I naturally don't have much issue with people who had similar thoughts as I did.
Hans Tweetenberg
Marvelous
The things they've been pushing seemed far less reachy and opportunistic than anything you've tried to sell so far imo. I appreciate they've mostly pushed one thing, namely you, so the bar they have to clear is naturally lower, but still.
Come on ratchet. You said you didn’t like the way Watson handled the end of day even regardless of my flip. Clearly you don’t see her as “obviously town” any more so your main reason for scum reading me has been discredited by your own opinion and yet you still think I’m the best lynch. Outside of how I handled Watson, what is your reason for scum reading me?
mainly ral and fang in that poyser town world
there is this part too, the game was split into those who scum read posyer vs those who town read him. there werent really anyone null reading him. if you think he is likely scum and his teammates arent the weaker players defending him, then why do you want a claim from ral instead of... cp or gram for instance?
One thing I can concede is that scum would want to lynch Poyser before Gad, because Gad will always be there as a viable mislynch. Which I do accept, but really, beyond like Lethal maybe, not many votes fit the bill for that to me. At a stretch Tempest if I really go looking into it. Sky I think too, but they killed her so...
But you’re acting like they were just against my wagon for no reason - that’s not the case. Literally all 3 these guys read me town which is reason for being against my lynch. Watson and fang both read me as town really early in the game in fact. Fang was even against my lynch when he was my counterwagon lol. Ral was one that arrived at me being town later when my wagon was near its zenith so I can give you that one but the others don’t really seem like you’ve thought it through
Hans Tweetenberg
Marvelous
Think this reaction out of Lethal is all sorts of towny