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Game Official Ranked Xmas Mafia 2024 - Where Worlds Collide

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Ratchet said:
Okay, so you have no read on me, but have reservations about my slot. Is that it? You have two scum flips to work with - if you're as good as you say you are, surely you have more insights to offer than a wishy-washy non-read of a slot who was an early supporter of both scum wagons, right? So what else do you have for us?
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It is not wishy-washy to suspect you.

Why would Professor die over you or Ultra?

I have a theory, the stupid ass scum team was killing town-people whom town read me.

Not only you were the pioneer of the two lynched scum, but you were one of the few that had correctly townread me.
As scum, when im setting up someone as a mislynch in the future, i kill their supporters to control the narrative and work towards that goal.
Besides you, Professor was one of the few that townread me, but was less vocal about the lynched scum than you.
Why not kill you first?


I need to check your games to see if you are capable of hellbussing.
 
Ultra said:
Guillo's the type of player to suspect someone doing better than him must be bussing because he's a genius and nobody could possibly outperform him
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When you play 21 years of this get back to me, for now sit down and learn from the pros, moron.

There is a theory of expected survivability in Mafia, look it up and learn something new today.
 
Aurelian said:
Like I said before, your voting patterns are not something I would invest in a metric to read you by any stretch. So basically cutting the bullshit out here, I don't trust you and going by your votes is not going to be a sell for me about your alignment.

Yeah you voted for Sparkles and Melkor.
That's true.

But it's also fully in your wheelhouse to bus and sacrifice your teammates if it helps you win in the long run.

After all you along with Magic are generally considered the best scum players. So obviously my hesitance around your slot is justified?
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Now can you respond to the post I actually made please? Where are the rest of your reads?
 
.guillo said:
It is not wishy-washy to suspect you.
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That isn't what I said. Aurelian's position I that I could be town for correctly scum, or I could be scum and bussing. That is what is wishy-washy. I never said that suspecting me, in principle, is wishy-washy. Please read my posts more carefully, I do not have the patience to repeat myself every time.
 
Why am I not dead yet? Could be any number of things.

A) The scum team has no respect for my ability, and doesn't think I'm likely to be right about much else.
B) The scum team doesn't think I have any sway on the town.
C) The scum team has a rigid idea about who they need to kill, and are focusing on those first.

To name but 3. I almost never get any lynch I want on this site, and most of the time unless it's impossible not to, I get no credit for being right from most of these players either. I touched on this yesterday. So to me, I think it's quite obvious why I'm still alive, but I take your suspicion as a compliment.
 
Ratchet said:
Now can you respond to the post I actually made please? Where are the rest of your reads?
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I town read Fuji, Ultra, Guillo, Lapp, and Tweet.
Everyone else is PoE in some form or another, obviously Kiku and Flower are not town.

I wouldn't mind getting claims from Rugrat, Alco, Magic, and T-Pein. Probably more lean Magic being town over you tbh.

In lieu of those, I'm fine with lynching Brutus and Jigsaw, who have given nothing to read them as townie. Now yours.
 
Ratchet said:
Why am I not dead yet? Could be any number of things.

A) The scum team has no respect for my ability, and doesn't think I'm likely to be right about much else.
B) The scum team doesn't think I have any sway on the town.
C) The scum team has a rigid idea about who they need to kill, and are focusing on those first.

To name but 3. I almost never get any lynch I want on this site, and most of the time unless it's impossible not to, I get no credit for being right from most of these players either. I touched on this yesterday. So to me, I think it's quite obvious why I'm still alive, but I take your suspicion as a compliment.
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What about you being an indie as a possibility?
 
Grammaton said:
Xmas Mafia End of Day 1 - Hope

Day 1 Final Vote Count

Pqwerty 5 - Rugrat, Jigsaw, Sparkles, Alexis
Melkor 16 - Ratchet, Poyser, Chuck, Ekko, Arne Slot, Pqwerty, Aurelian, RDK, Prof, Ultra, Fuji, X, Tpein, Watson, Tweet, Flower
Jigsaw 1 - Tweet
Watson 7 - Magic, Guillo, GoddessBlade, Melkor, Lappland, Alco, Brutus
Sparkles 1 - Lethal
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Some questions:

How can Tweet vote for two different people?
Is it realistic to expect no buses on Melkor?
Lethal has been on two vanity wagons, both on scum. Is this alignment indicative for Lethal? Does Lethal struggle with TMI as scum? If not, Lethal might be clear.
 
.guillo said:
Some questions:

How can Tweet vote for two different people?
Is it realistic to expect no buses on Melkor?
Lethal has been on two vanity wagons, both on scum. Is this alignment indicative for Lethal? Does Lethal struggle with TMI as scum? If not, Lethal might be clear.
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Pretty sure that's a host error
 
Aurelian said:
I town read Fuji, Ultra, Guillo, Lapp, and Tweet.
Everyone else is PoE in some form or another, obviously Kiku and Flower are not town.
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Why are Lapp and Tweet Town?
Aurelian said:
I wouldn't mind getting claims from Rugrat, Alco, Magic, and T-Pein. Probably more lean Magic being town over you tbh.
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So why do you want Magic's claim if you think he's more likely town than I am? You don't want my claim?
Aurelian said:
What about you being an indie as a possibility?
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I don't know what you're even asking me here. Are you asking me to explore the idea that I'm an Indie, when I obviously know what I am already? That's your job to make the case for it, I'll be happy to explain to you where you went wrong after you've done so.

Also, I do have to say, this is why you are so often wrong. Your premise of your suspicion on me is that I could be bussing, which isn't an argument that justifies suspicion, it justifies not town clearing my slot. What you constantly miss is that not being town cleared doesn't mean you must suspect the slot. In all of this, the only point you've come close to arguing that actually stands as a point of suspicion, is that I'm not dead. And given that several other slots that could be dead by now are not, that isn't all that strong an argument. And also, by saying that I should have been killed by scum, you are admitting that I've played well enough for the town to warrant a kill - yet somehow, that doesn't even move the needle for you as to why I might be town.

I know you wont listen, and will instead screech about how you'll never take anything from what I'm offering, because that's who you are, but this Aurelian is why you end up where you often do. Because you make no attempt to actually shrink the PoE. We are in Day 3 and have 3 scum dead, with 2 more lined up, and you have a grand total of 5 town reads. It's not good enough.
 
Grammaton said:
2x Psychologist (You may target a player at night and learn if they have killed or attempted to kill any other players in the game)
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Why would a scum need this role just to hunt a serial killer?

To hunt a town vig? Or to hunt another scum party?
 
.guillo said:
Some questions:

How can Tweet vote for two different people?
Is it realistic to expect no buses on Melkor?
Lethal has been on two vanity wagons, both on scum. Is this alignment indicative for Lethal? Does Lethal struggle with TMI as scum? If not, Lethal might be clear.
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I think only Tweet could have bussed, maybe T-Pein. Most scum would have been on Watson I think, given that it was close to getting her over. Fron that wagon, Lappland and maybe one of Alco and Brutus. I don't think both, but I wouldn't completely rule that out either. I need to see more from Alco.
 
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