Dragon D. Luffy
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So there was an argument between users (including me) and @MusubiKazesaru in the manga section that I am bringing to this forum by his request.
This is the topic in question. I suggest you all read it before posting so I don't have to quote the whole discussion:
onelastforum.com
Basically, @marf created a thread for the manga Kaguya-sama: Love is War. Musubi then edited the thread because he believes the name is bad and he prefers the one now in the title. Marf asked why, and Musubi just replied "Because I think the current name is better". They had an argument about it, which I decided to join. I will continue the argument here, since Musubi asked to keep the thread on-topic.
Ok, first of all, here is why I dislike the current thread name: I don't speak Japanese. The thread name looks like a bunch of random gibberish to me. I can't easily pronounce it, I can't easily memorize it. According to TV Tropes (I had to look there because my first attempt, Google, failed to give a coherent translation), it means "Kaguya Wants to be Confessed to ~The Geniuses' War of Love and Brains". It's a decent title that stays in spirit of the manga's plot, I suppose. Still too long to use in a normal conversation, though. The localized title, Kaguya-sama: Love is War attempts to be easily recognizable and pronounceable. I would be fine with either of the two English titles, personally, it's just the Japanese one that looks like spam to me. That isn't to say all titles in Japanese are bad, though. Something like Jujutsu Kaisen is easy to recognize and pronounce, but the thing Musubi edited into the thread title is not.
But that's not my point, I didn't make this topic to have an argument over which title is better. My point is that an user created a topic, a mod saw fitting to edit it, against the user's choice, and asked why, he just replied "because I prefer this title instead". And when asked to specify that in a section rule, he refused and said something in the lines of "no need for a section rule, it's ok for mods to edit titles however they like".
I don't believe it's ok, though. I don't think mods should have the power to do anything at all unless it is specified by a forum rule, preferrably one that has been agreed democratically by the community, If we are going to decide thread titles should always be the original ones and not the localized, that should be written somewhere. If thread titles aren't supposed to be in English, that should be written somewhere. And if a mod thinks option A would be better than option B, they need to ask what the community thinks first before opening their shiny mod control panel and censoring the users. I think it's good practice that we don't start this forum with letting staff act one-sidedly, especially considering the kind of totalitarian policy we have created the forum to get away from.
Heck, if we end up deciding the rule is "mods are the final arbitrer of thread titles" (which I don't think is ideal), it would still be great if that was written somewhere, because right now Musubi seems to be trying to pretend his call was made because it's just verifiably better, not because it's his personal opinion. Might as well make it official and tell the community it is his personal opinion and that is the law, then.
This is the topic in question. I suggest you all read it before posting so I don't have to quote the whole discussion:
Kaguya-sama wa Kokurasetai: Tensai-tachi no Renai Zunousen
Final arc starting on a cliffhanger.
onelastforum.com Basically, @marf created a thread for the manga Kaguya-sama: Love is War. Musubi then edited the thread because he believes the name is bad and he prefers the one now in the title. Marf asked why, and Musubi just replied "Because I think the current name is better". They had an argument about it, which I decided to join. I will continue the argument here, since Musubi asked to keep the thread on-topic.
Ok, first of all, here is why I dislike the current thread name: I don't speak Japanese. The thread name looks like a bunch of random gibberish to me. I can't easily pronounce it, I can't easily memorize it. According to TV Tropes (I had to look there because my first attempt, Google, failed to give a coherent translation), it means "Kaguya Wants to be Confessed to ~The Geniuses' War of Love and Brains". It's a decent title that stays in spirit of the manga's plot, I suppose. Still too long to use in a normal conversation, though. The localized title, Kaguya-sama: Love is War attempts to be easily recognizable and pronounceable. I would be fine with either of the two English titles, personally, it's just the Japanese one that looks like spam to me. That isn't to say all titles in Japanese are bad, though. Something like Jujutsu Kaisen is easy to recognize and pronounce, but the thing Musubi edited into the thread title is not.
But that's not my point, I didn't make this topic to have an argument over which title is better. My point is that an user created a topic, a mod saw fitting to edit it, against the user's choice, and asked why, he just replied "because I prefer this title instead". And when asked to specify that in a section rule, he refused and said something in the lines of "no need for a section rule, it's ok for mods to edit titles however they like".
I don't believe it's ok, though. I don't think mods should have the power to do anything at all unless it is specified by a forum rule, preferrably one that has been agreed democratically by the community, If we are going to decide thread titles should always be the original ones and not the localized, that should be written somewhere. If thread titles aren't supposed to be in English, that should be written somewhere. And if a mod thinks option A would be better than option B, they need to ask what the community thinks first before opening their shiny mod control panel and censoring the users. I think it's good practice that we don't start this forum with letting staff act one-sidedly, especially considering the kind of totalitarian policy we have created the forum to get away from.
Heck, if we end up deciding the rule is "mods are the final arbitrer of thread titles" (which I don't think is ideal), it would still be great if that was written somewhere, because right now Musubi seems to be trying to pretend his call was made because it's just verifiably better, not because it's his personal opinion. Might as well make it official and tell the community it is his personal opinion and that is the law, then.
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