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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 3: Laugh Hard with a Vengence
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we have the most comprehensive transformers feat thread online and I have still have only gone through maybe 60% of the relevant material at best 
Xeno Trunks (DBH) vs Goetia (Nasuverse)
Well it seems that Goetia is hax enough to beat Black Frieza despite the power difference. But can Goetia defeat Xeno Trunks from Dragon Ball Heroes? Both are in character and both gets full knowledge of each other's abilities. Who wins?
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Kaido (One Piece) vs King Hassan (Fate/Grand Order)
These feats weren't accomplished individually. Moreover, there's no reason to consider KH stronger than Skadi even by herself...unless you roll with feats, and as that is totally possible, I am baffled as to why you would be doing the runaround here with scaling. No, 2-3 are his limits, in...
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The Triumvirate (Worm) Vs. Sephiroth, Dante, and Asura.
Alexandria, Eidolon, and Legend are pitted against Sephiroth(Final Fantasy), Dante(Devil May Cry), and Asura(Asura's Wrath) Battlefield Staten Island. All opponents are at their best and possess all their equipment/Weapons/magic/items, aside from Asura who is his prologue self, three...
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A redirected death spell perhaps not, but Accel hitting Ainz hard enough to shake the whole planet like he did with Coronzon would most likely hurt
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Your confusing emotional suppression with their immunity to mental effects, the emtional suppression actually is a unque feature to ainz that tries to bring him more in line with how undead are supposed be but as a baseline undead are immune to emotional/mental maipulations. It's why ainz fear aura can't effect the gaurdians, why ainz was shocked when shalltear was mindcontrolled, undead are immune to mental effectsCan As Nodt conquer The Great Tomb of Nazarick singlehandedly?
As starts in base, is in character and has Senbonzakura As gets both manga and anime feats Nazarick gets anime, manga and light novel feats Ainz and the Guardians know they are under attack but don't know anything else about the nature of the threat As Nodt knows he's going to be targeting a...
"As Nodt would be worthless against Nazarick due to their Fear Resistance"
That's not how Hax resistance works...
Yes, Overlord has emotional suppression but last I checked, that was only for Liches like Ainz and we clearly see he can still get angry or emotional even with that suppression working... so how is As Nodt's Fear, which can make even the most battle-hardened of Shinigami shit a fucking brick due to inflicting them with the literal Primal Fear not work?
I mean, it would make sense if the Monster NPCs didn't have any emotions, but we know they do so...
All undead share these race traits:
- Bludgeoning Vulnerability V
- Biological Penalties' Resistance
- Critical Hit Immunity
- Dark Vision
- Death Immunity
- Disease Immunity
- Doubled Damage by Fire
- Eating, Drinking, and Breathing are Unnecessary
- Energy Drain Immunity
- Good, Light and Holy Vulnerability IV
- Good and Holy Consecrated Areas' Vulnerability II
- Mind-affecting Immunity
- Necromancy Resistance
- Paralysis Immunity
- Physical Penalty Resistance
- Poisoning Immunity
- Recover by Negative Energy
- Sleep Immunity
Kaido (One Piece) vs King Hassan (Fate/Grand Order)
These feats weren't accomplished individually. Moreover, there's no reason to consider KH stronger than Skadi even by herself...unless you roll with feats, and as that is totally possible, I am baffled as to why you would be doing the runaround here with scaling. No, 2-3 are his limits, in...
Yeah, this is that typical shit of someone who has no idea what he's talking about...
He would be right... if Lostbelt Skadi was at full power... but she wasn't, not even close. Lostbelt Skadi was on fumes even when we entered the Lostbelt and was far, far weaker than she should be and by the time we fight her, she basically didn't even try to win.
Meanwhile, King Hassan was given a Grand Saint Graph which gives you unfathomable levels of power and Magical Energy(see how much is needed for Romulus Quirinus to get the general gist), was stated to rival the Lion King in power by Gawain who has seen her deliver Judgment for 6 months and has a very good idea of her power level(as all Servants can) and whose Rhongomyniad is equal to Morgan's and Surtr's Laeventienn.
It's non-negotiable to King Hassan in his Grand Form would be above Skadi, it's like people forget Qin Shi Huang in his backup body(aka his weaker form) was compared to a Grand and we never defeated him naturally, he lost due to playing defensively and simply falling on a knee ONCE(It was more of a philosophy battle than an actual fight).
Unless any of those can deal with The Fear, then that shit is still going through.
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Im assuming the immunity to mental effects would cover it? It's called mind affecting immunity in the list I gave.
I mean unless it's pierced some magical/metaphysical fear resistance I don't see why it would work? It sounds a lot like ainz fear aura tbh unless im missing something and if the only feat is scaring tough people...Ainz isn't tough, he's just magically immune to having his emotions effected/altered as are all undead in overlords verse.
Now to be clear Im speaking from a point of ingnorance so I could be missing something about the ability, all I have to go off is you and that thread. But at the moment my impression is ainz just wouldn't feel any fear/expereince it because his immunity prevents that from happening. A magical effect that induces terror/fear isnt unique in overlords verse, as I mentioned ainz has an aura that does that himself.
Now saying that if the weapon is simply strong enough to obliterate ainz that's it's own thing, but with the limited info I currently have I don't see why the fear effect would be relevant.
I mean unless it's pierced some magical/metaphysical fear resistance I don't see why it would work? It sounds a lot like ainz fear aura tbh unless im missing something and if the only feat is scaring tough people...Ainz isn't tough, he's just magically immune to having his emotions effected/altered as are all undead in overlords verse.
Now to be clear Im speaking from a point of ingnorance so I could be missing something about the ability, all I have to go off is you and that thread. But at the moment my impression is ainz just wouldn't feel any fear/expereince it because his immunity prevents that from happening. A magical effect that induces terror/fear isnt unique in overlords verse, as I mentioned ainz has an aura that does that himself.
Now saying that if the weapon is simply strong enough to obliterate ainz that's it's own thing, but with the limited info I currently have I don't see why the fear effect would be relevant.
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Immunity to anything has little bearing on battles between verses.
You might be immune in your verse to having your emotions manipulated but that only applies for your verse.
Someone from another verse might have an emotional altering ability that is much stronger in scale and potency than what's in your verse that might cover particularities like being able to fuck with undead or shit like that.
When dealing with haxx, especially when it's the same kind of ability you always need to look at feats and measure potency, scale etc and compare it to baseline resistance feats the receiving party has.
It's something simple but enough peeps have trouble understanding it even here .
It goes even further when trying to equivalate haxx and its effects between verses which is why some people here tend to go into paragraph flinging contests trying to brute force internal jargon and justifications as opposed to going through the standard process of burden of proof that should in theory minimize that shit and also keep us from turning into SB.
Alas, not everyone gets it.
You might be immune in your verse to having your emotions manipulated but that only applies for your verse.
Someone from another verse might have an emotional altering ability that is much stronger in scale and potency than what's in your verse that might cover particularities like being able to fuck with undead or shit like that.
When dealing with haxx, especially when it's the same kind of ability you always need to look at feats and measure potency, scale etc and compare it to baseline resistance feats the receiving party has.
It's something simple but enough peeps have trouble understanding it even here .
It goes even further when trying to equivalate haxx and its effects between verses which is why some people here tend to go into paragraph flinging contests trying to brute force internal jargon and justifications as opposed to going through the standard process of burden of proof that should in theory minimize that shit and also keep us from turning into SB.
Alas, not everyone gets it.
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Im aware of how these things work, but fear is incredibly hard to measure resistance/power of because its an emotion. How do you measure it? The long term effects? Ainz fear aura can drive people insane and the only way to fix it is high tier holy magic. Is it the physical effects? Aura has a godzilla knock off that screech induces terror so powerful it kills, she picked her ear after it blew everyone off the battlements.
The best measurement for things like fear effects is amount of people effect/level of terror or the old what resistances has this bypassed scale. So what has this fear bypassed/done that makes it able to overcome ainz resistance to fear effects? Effected iron willed people? How many? To what scale? Without some serious metaphysical nonsense/super god levels of stuff I don't consider that comparable to someone having some magical law that dictates this ability can't effect me.
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Like you measure everything else ?
Feats and if backed by feats, descriptions ...etc.
Effects, be they long or short , scale,range, particularities, sub effects ...etc.
You look at how many people it has effected and what the effects were . In this case , it's powerful enough that it just doesn not demotivate or scare people off , it outright drives them insane.
For a simple comparison example you take this ability and say... it can affect 100 peeps on a 1 km area and it drives them insane and put it against someone else who maybe resisted a similar ability that affected the entire population of Earth , so much larger scale and range and it also drove people mad enough to kill themselves .
So you can see that in this scenario the first ability is much weaker in pretty much all quantifiable aspects and its a safe scenario that it would not affect the receiving party.
I believe Xhom will answer that.
I just wanted to explain the process so that we avoid some SB type shit.
You could argue the Fear not being much against those with a strong enough mental fortitude. Byakuya was able to overcome it the second time around and Rukia too with some pep talk
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Reading the wiki it really reads like an ability straight out of overlord necromancer/monster class. Ainz despair aura induces fear, insanity and death. Aura's pet godzilla induces crippling fear with it's roar that kills. Though the only effect I know of from overlord that could be overcome with strong will/peptalk is sebas killing intent (Which Im not sure is even a proper ability tbh). Everything else comes down to stats, levels, and resistances
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See this is an example of not getting it.
Mental fortitude cannot be quantified and it leads to shit arguments like " character x can lolnope any Jedi worth his/her salt who can mind fuck cities/countries/planets etc because they have strong mental fortitudes or wills derived from the vague fact that they maybe they overcame it once or whatever the fuck.
So you go back to looking at what i said.
Mental fortitude cannot be quantified and it leads to shit arguments like " character x can lolnope any Jedi worth his/her salt who can mind fuck cities/countries/planets etc because they have strong mental fortitudes or wills derived from the vague fact that they maybe they overcame it once or whatever the fuck.
So you go back to looking at what i said.
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If you can't measure mental fortitude how can you measure fear? Kinda feels like a double standard. Fear isn't any more solid a concept then will.
Though looking at the bleach character I don't think the range discussion matters?
Unless I missed something it's not some planet covering super fear, it's a weapon that launches thorns that induce black sludge that causes fear that eventually kills. It's literally something I imagine a necromancer would craft for fun.
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I literally explained how you measure stuff and i also explained why the way Astaro's comment was phrased will lead to shit like NLF arguments or other stuff.
If you can't get why their example didn't work ...i don't know how to explain it in an easier way.
And again, won't get into this specific Bleach case.
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