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Death Battle Discussion

Claudio Swiss

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OtherGalaxy

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@OtherGalaxy can ya explain to me how IDW got wanked as it did as some Archie/Heroes version of the character
so idw had a few recurring plotlines surrounding this thing called the Dead Universe which is exactly what it sounded like

the wank stemmed from either misunderstanding a few pages from the related arcs or deliberately misconstruing them to boost certain characters.

For example “Nova Prime channeled the Dead Universe energy in Revelation to attack Optimus. This means Optimus tanked a universal attack.”

Well no, because this exact arc makes it clear the Dead Universe can only kill the main one if barriers are weakened enough for it to cross over. Nova does the force lightning shit after that plan fails, meaning whatever power he is channeling isn’t universe busting at all as that’s not something the Dead Universe can do without help to get to the main one.

The other examples are similar, Shockwave has a universal feat (which required significant prep time and equipment) and people scale that to Optimus and Megatron because they took hits from him…even though Shockwave’s reality warping time drive has nothing to do with his raw strength, and we see his glancing shots do little more than damage the cave they’re all sitting in.

The only one even remotely debatable is right before Nova Prime dies he allegedly had control of the Dead Universe, but he couldn’t do shit with it offensively. You could handwave it if it was just against Optimus, since he’s special, but Rodimus, Kup, Nightbeat etc were all there and he couldn’t do anything to them. This is one of those rare cases where “can’t be used in a practical way” really would apply, as there’s just no showings supporting him using that strength against Prime.

Micronus Prime did create a universe but it’s explicitly a microscopic pocket universe and the Entropy Cloud affecting it was revealed to just be a weird form of temporal BFR. So I don’t see what good this does anyone.


Basically there are two solid universal/possibly low multiversal IDW Transformers characters, but the way they work means you can’t scale them to anybody else. It’s just that TF feats require a fuckton of context to not get messed up. The only really legitimate thing is the Matrix killed the Dead Universe, so it would be universal (though again, context is needed and Matrices have weird mechanics) but you can’t scale it to anybody but like…maybe Rung, who is also God (but forgot he was)
 

Top59

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Gonna repost this for reminder if they ever do Omnidock

This would mean the following for Bardock vs Omni-Man.

I will say this real quick. We cannot exactly scale much for speed with Piccolo's feat beyond what happened. However one thing I could say is that Goku trained under 10x gravity. Gravity formula is nonsense but his powerlevel increased 20-fold and his attack potency went from being comparable to Piccolo's moon-bust (13.46 yottatons in the anime) to at least not being too far behind King Vegeta's planet bust (1.8 tenatons), even ignoring bigbloat calcs he went from moon busting (~29 exatons) to 1/3 Earth Busting (~18 zettatons), so a massive boost in the hundreds to thousands for AP. Gravity obviously increases speed too; that was one thing everyone noticed after Goku did 100x gravity training on Namek, and IIRC Nappa in the anime noted how he felt much faster and more free on Earth's low gravity. I really don't think it would be too risky to say he became at least 10x faster after King Kai's gravity training. It doesn't feel too controversial to say that. And for Bardock vs Omni-Man, you can give Bardock all the speed multipliers you want it really doesn't matter in the end as Omni-Man's high end is still way faster so I don't feel it would be bad to slap a 10x multiplier.

Bardock
-Attack Potency: 1.8 Tenatons (Base), 90.1 Tenatons (SSJ)
-Speed: ⪆4.27 x FTL (Base), 213.5 x FTL (SSJ)
-Experience: He looks a bit older than Goku for most of Z, maybe in his 40s, given his low ranking status he probably has fought for his whole life. So probably 30-50 years of combat experience.
-Range: Planetary range

Omni-Man
-Attack Potency: 27.884 Zettatons (No-Crossovers), 2.15 Yottatons
-Speed: 41.25 x FTL (No-Crossovers), Billions to trillions of times FTL (Crossovers)
-Experience: Over 2000 years of combat experience
-Range: Several kilometers

Without crossovers, the speed gap wouldn't be too bad for Bardock (And assuming that the 10x gravity boost accounted for much, he is faster) and he could one-shot Nolan. However if crossovers allowed, even if Bardock is still millions of times stronger Nolan is just ridiculously fast. Bardock hits, he wins, Nolan won't get hit unless he gets down and dirty however.
Apparently they are going to give 6 Yottatons to the destruction of planet Vegeta.
 

Derpmaster9000

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As if he-man ain't there :dankpepe
True, but lets be honest, unless they put Seiya up against Goku(lol, please no), their best bet to judge how well a series like Saint Seiya would do, using its main character, would be against a comic character. And the only char I've seen thrown around consistently for Seiya, is Shazam.
 

Maddie

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True, but lets be honest, unless they put Seiya up against Goku(lol, please no), their best bet to judge how well a series like Saint Seiya would do, using its main character, would be against a comic character. And the only char I've seen thrown around consistently for Seiya, is Shazam.
Let's hope Seiya gets those multiversal feats in against Zeus so they can't pull anything

Just realistically Seiya vs Moon has better choreography, more forms to use, etc. While Seiya wins deceivingly they're not throwing the strongest magical girl in anime against Moon at least
 

Claudio Swiss

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True, but lets be honest, unless they put Seiya up against Goku(lol, please no), their best bet to judge how well a series like Saint Seiya would do, using its main character, would be against a comic character. And the only char I've seen thrown around consistently for Seiya, is Shazam.
Let's hope Seiya gets those multiversal feats in against Zeus so they can't pull anything

Just realistically Seiya vs Moon has better choreography, more forms to use, etc. While Seiya wins deceivingly they're not throwing the strongest magical girl in anime against Moon at least
Tbh I wouldn't say Moon vs Seiya is out of the count yet Madokamoon ain't getting far and gonna get swept by Grumind
 

xenos5

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Tbh I wouldn't say Moon vs Seiya is out of the count yet Madokamoon ain't getting far and gonna get swept by Grumind
I get what you mean, but I kind of suspect they aren’t just going to forget about the matchups that don’t win the entire tournament, but still manage to win the first one or two polls they’re in. Them managing to do even that well, is a big sign of the matchup’s popularity after all.

Like if Korosensei has a Deathbattle in the future it’s pretty safe to say Monokuma is locked in as his most likely opponent. If they turned around and instead did Korosensei vs Lord Death from Soul Eater it might leave all the people who voted for Korokuma feeling a bit cheated.

At this point I think the best chance for Seiya vs Moon to still happen is if Moon vs Madoka (when/if happens down the line) has such a big view count it makes them want to bring Usagi back as a returning character.
 

xenos5

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Madoka vs Sailor Moon won
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I’d really like to see Fate in Deathbattle. So Luke vs Saber would be my first pick.

Wile. E Coyote vs Tom and Sackboy vs Maxwell are both great. I'd be cool with either so I guess they're tied for second for me.

Toothless and Hiccup vs Hiro and Baymax is the one i'd be least interested in. Mostly because I think Disney's Big Hero Six is one of their lesser animated movies (I hate how they turned a guy who could turn into a kaiju in his source material into a guy in a lame small Kaiju outfit with their "Fredzilla").
 
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