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Game Ranked OLF Christmas Mafia 2023 (Day 9)

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Aurelian said:
You are literally being dumb here. I scum read Sky for the same reasons Ultra justifies her being so bad he sees her as town. Therefore why would I move my vote off a player I don't identify with town reading to someone I have as a blank (Luka) until I hear Ultra's reasoning besides threatening to help lynch me.

Anyway looking forward to Gram being 0-4 on reading me :banderas
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Okay

Still not answering my question over your statement (don't feel strongly) vs action (vote) on Sky. Each time you've failed to give me an answer to this, instead deciding to endlessly and annoyingly move the goalpost

Understood

@Poyser handle this. Seems he needs to be beaten by a man instead of a dishwasher
 
Dr_Professor83 said:
Dr. Watson, I ensure you this IS me having fun!

(Genuinely I am having a lot of fun right now and this IS shitposting lol. I don’t know what gave you the impression I’m not lol. There was like 5 minutes I wasn’t when I was dealing with Ekko but he’s not even posting and he’s not talking to me anymore!)

(I also completely disagree I’m being belligerent and obstructive. I’ve been cheeky but nothing I’m doing is obstructing anything. Nor am I taking “pot shots”. You clearly just have no way of reading my intentions lol)
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Oh okay

(Others are not reading it in the way you're perceiving it - Poy literally demonstrated this. This is why I'm bringing this up, is all. Some feel antagonized so I just assumed I was missing some wider context. Carry on!)
 
Caldust said:
i think Aurelian is probably town here, for similar reasons I believed BPD was town - as he (from a brief read has a lot of apathy, that only really is noticeable for forlorn town).

The fact that he believes his role is an absolute reason for not lynching him does reconcile with town play. He simply can’t see any reconciliation that his play could be scum. As mafia, you’re probably gonna be looking for common ground with people you’re trying to persuade to agree with you - so I think it would be easier to get him to concede his play is scummy. If you couple all the play based reasons with a very potent role, which he knows he can’t do any hero BS with - I’d strongly favour keeping him around.

Poyser is the chief driver of the wagon and him saying he thinks the first four players on the wagon are town is useful to know.
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Hello Rugrat

What say you to the accusations that you're playing to your Umbrella Academy scum meta and you told Gad (your scummate, allegedly) to fake being Jewish?
 
Dr. Watson said:
Okay

Still not answering my question over your statement (don't feel strongly) vs action (vote) on Sky. Each time you've failed to give me an answer to this, instead deciding to endlessly and annoyingly move the goalpost

Understood

@Poyser handle this. Seems he needs to be beaten by a man instead of a dishwasher
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There isn't any goal posts moving. I asked why I would logically move my vote off a player I don't identify as town, albeit a weaker scum read l, to one I have no read or any real interactions with besides asking Luka why he scum reads Ultra.

If this doesn't communicate to you the lunacy of your question in the vacuum of me still waiting for Ultra to explain why I should vote Luka over Sky then you need a seance.
 
Caldust said:
He basically said he’d be laughing at you from the dead QT. Banez only said this as town.

Does this also not give you pause?
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Your argument seems to be going with the assumption that everyone is exactly the same and reacts in the same way
 
Aurelian said:
There isn't any goal posts moving. I asked why I would logically move my vote off a player I don't identify as town, albeit a weaker scum read l, to one I have no read or any real interactions with besides asking Luka why he scum reads Ultra.

If this doesn't communicate to you the lunacy of your question in the vacuum of me still waiting for Ultra to explain why I should vote Luka over Sky then you need a seance.
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I literally gave you the posts and case he built on Luka on a silver platter, don't fucking play Ickwelian

You think he's going to give some completely different case?
 
Dr. Watson said:
Oh okay

(Others are not reading it in the way you're perceiving it - Poy literally demonstrated this. This is why I'm bringing this up, is all. Some feel antagonized so I just assumed I was missing some wider context. Carry on!)
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I mean, I consider it benign/gentle antagonism.

As in, yes I’m poking people and probably making enemies a bit but meant to be a playful gadfly not actually mean spirited.

If I’m being misunderstood that’s a shame lol
 
Aurelian said:
There isn't any goal posts moving. I asked why I would logically move my vote off a player I don't identify as town, albeit a weaker scum read l, to one I have no read or any real interactions with besides asking Luka why he scum reads Ultra.

If this doesn't communicate to you the lunacy of your question in the vacuum of me still waiting for Ultra to explain why I should vote Luka over Sky then you need a seance.
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Ultra thinks Luka is likely scum, gives a ton of evidence as to why he believes this
Ultra sees me as probtown
"hurrrdurrr Ultra no say why vote Luka and not Sky"
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You physically cannot be at this level of literacy
 
Give the ISO and Ult's stance on why Luka is scum and why he feels more strongly about Lu's slot compared to Sky's
Give an additional quote showing why he's more comfortable voting Lu over Sky and why even though it isn't a particularly strong read on her (this implying he has a way stronger read on Luka by default

"None of that translates to what I'm asking. you're a wench."
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Sky said:
Hello Rugrat

What say you to the accusations that you're playing to your Umbrella Academy scum meta and you told Gad (your scummate, allegedly) to fake being Jewish?
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I don’t agree I’m playing to my Umbrella Academy scum meta, but I’ll refute that properly later - since there’s enough going on atm; I don’t want to move play in another direction and I’m low on time

I really can’t prove or disprove that I’d tell a scummate to fake a PR - it’s mostly WIFOM. My viewpoint is it’s often decent play when there’s no other PR in the game; though if there is another PR in the game (which I’m not sure of) then I’d be hesitant as town late on tend to get in the mind of a binary “one of the PR’s must be scum and one town”
 
Sky said:
Your argument seems to be going with the assumption that everyone is exactly the same and reacts in the same way
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They do overwhelmingly

It’s the exact same (correct) argument I made for BPD who I also knew little about
 
I touched on this earlier but I’d largely agree he’s not playing like that game - in UA he went all out attack to discredit me once I’d voted him, whereas here he didn’t do anything at all

In a vacuum he’s ’scummier’ here given the lack of posts and defending a player I’m not really sure merits it, but whether that translates to results I’m less sure on. I fully expected him to take a contrarian stance on Aurelian fwiw
 
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