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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Q99 said:
Like, every time she yells it? She calls its name, power visibly gathers, and swings it. It's not a lot of time but it's noticeable in every depiction I'm finding.

And Fate Grand Order has your servants get pressed hard enough they have trouble counterattacking pretty often, like against Tristan.



Like… stuff like this is supporting my point, you realize? 'Oh she fired it before an army arrived' yes because she had enough time.

Here's Saber using it versus Gilgamesh:

View: https://youtu.be/2RwjxhHvzUI?si=qq137M8R8WvcL1e3

Ea is also visibly requiring a charge time and he ultimately lost due to his charge time being too long. Basically what I'm saying is what happened to Gil there will happen here, not that it's some super long time, but that entire fight's resolution revolves around both having charge times and after multiple clashes one of the charge times being somewhat faster.

Here's Saber Alter vs Medusa, waits for an opening, sets her stance, a changes it:

View: https://youtu.be/8W7x_-mMOtU?si=KSSvNMfN3gsg8cwe

Here's a video about 25 uses:

View: https://youtu.be/DkMqNYe8Kq0?si=OPOcCCqWtur6dR19

Medusa, it shows (4:00) she used it when Medusa was at a distance gearing up for a charge and she had a moment to work. Iskandar (4:45), the video maker even both calls it one of the quicker uses and talks about its charge time. Etc..

And I've never seen anything to indicate Rhongo is faster, it always swirls mana in first before attacking.



We're talking about a comparison between the two to see who hits fastest, what are you talking about?

This is purely a comparison between who's faster between the two! That's what matters, even the fairlg short charge time of a noble phantasm is longer than a number of FT spells, meaning she will be hit first.

It doesn't need long but, say, Hades for example uses 'point finger and fire powerful magic bullets' as a way to inflict damage and pin down enemies too fast for them to react and he can just belt them out repeatly by pointing- and he was able to do that against characters like Gray, who's fast and does magic with a gesture himself.
Stuff like that is the problem, she's going to be blasted by a lot of spells before she gets rhongo off.
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Bruh this guy is using those videos to say "Artoria need charge to use Excalibur" when those 2 first videos actually show the other way around. And the magic this "Hades" use is a "Bullet Magic" which is like Rin's Gandr usage wise.

It's like he is saying Rin will blast Morgan before she gets Rhongo off.
 
Salfarc said:
Bruh this guy is using those videos to say "Artoria need charge to use Excalibur" when those 2 first videos actually show the other way around. And the magic this "Hades" use is a "Bullet Magic" which is like Rin's Gandr usage wise.

It's like he is saying Rin will blast Morgan before she gets Rhongo off.
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There is no charge for Excalibur and the "Charge Up" times for Noble Phantasms tend to be wanked to hell and back because they tend to use the various cinematography and otherwise to act like it takes longer than it does but then try and mask it away from others that don't.

You can literally point to her using it against Iskandar's Chariot when it was one step away from crushing her flat to point out how insanely stupid it is as both the anime and the LN explicitly points out how fast it is.
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
There is no charge for Excalibur and the "Charge Up" times for Noble Phantasms tend to be wanked to hell and back because they tend to use the various cinematography and otherwise to act like it takes longer than it does but then try and mask it away from others that don't.

You can literally point to her using it against Iskandar's Chariot when it was one step away from crushing her flat to point out how insanely stupid it is as both the anime and the LN explicitly points out how fast it is.
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I know, thats why i said its just visual effect. But really read what he said. He actually prove that there is no charge time but he said "this prove my point that is it need charge time" When none of the video shows it need charge time.

Artoria just swing her sword and thats it. I also point out the Iskandar Chariot too. And read what he said there. Like I honestly don't understand why is he saying it proves what he said when it does the exact opposite.
 
Salfarc said:
I know, thats why i said its just visual effect. But really read what he said. He actually prove that there is no charge time but he said "this prove my point that is it need charge time" When none of the video shows it need charge time.

Artoria just swing her sword and thats it. I also point out the Iskandar Chariot too. And read what he said there. Like I honestly don't understand why is he saying it proves what he said when it does the exact opposite.
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Then there's no point arguing with a dumbass like that then...
Like fuck it, Goku's Kamehameha takes like 15-20 seconds to use then, Tanjirou slicing Rui's neck(among other Demons) take so fucking long it's amazing Tanjirou isn't dead everything he does it from a counterattack.
Ichigo's Getsuga Tenshou's take 3-5 seconds(Sometimes even longer) and so on and so forth.

It doesn't take a genius to see this is an anime staple yet everytime, people only place that shit as Nasu's feet as if it ever meant jack and of shit, especially trying to pretend Fairy Tail of all series doesn't suffer from that shit.
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
Then there's no point arguing with a dumbass like that then...
Like fuck it, Goku's Kamehameha takes like 15-20 seconds to use then, Tanjirou slicing Rui's neck(among other Demons) take so fucking long it's amazing Tanjirou isn't dead everything he does it from a counterattack.
Ichigo's Getsuga Tenshou's take 3-5 seconds(Sometimes even longer) and so on and so forth.

It doesn't take a genius to see this is an anime staple yet everytime, people only place that shit as Nasu's feet as if it ever meant jack and of shit, especially trying to pretend Fairy Tail of all series doesn't suffer from that shit.
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Personally I prefer not to use other series unrelated to the thread if I can. But on another note about what that guy say,

The Bullet magic From FT this guy is using is used practically like how Rin use Gandr. And he is saying things like that can blast Morgan off before Rhongomyniad. Like saying Rin can beat Morgan with just Gandr

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fairytail/images/7/71/Hades'_Bullet_Magic.gif/revision/latest?cb=20120211105338
 
Astaro said:
Curious, how does Dio put him down at least that fast?
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OP doesnt mention anything about the sun. Dio just starts spamming time stops that get longer and longer as time goes on. Dio gets hurt? drinks some of alucards blood to heal up and continue on.
 
Masterblack06 said:
OP doesnt mention anything about the sun. Dio just starts spamming time stops that get longer and longer as time goes on. Dio gets hurt? drinks some of alucards blood to heal up and continue on.
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Now that makes more sense. It’ll be a long fight for DIO but you worded it like all he needed was one time stop to win
 
Astaro said:
Now that makes more sense. It’ll be a long fight for DIO but you worded it like all he needed was one time stop to win
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Oh nah, Thats Heaven Ascenion Dio.
Just deletes the man from existence and shit
 
Salfarc said:
Personally I prefer not to use other series unrelated to the thread if I can. But on another note about what that guy say,

The Bullet magic From FT this guy is using is used practically like how Rin use Gandr. And he is saying things like that can blast Morgan off before Rhongomyniad. Like saying Rin can beat Morgan with just Gandr

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fairytail/images/7/71/Hades'_Bullet_Magic.gif/revision/latest?cb=20120211105338
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I know what you are saying but you are missing my point here in that you can say the same thing for Hades Magic Bullet. The point is that he's trying to force in charge times where there isn't any so you should point out the hypocrisy of his point entirely. This is again ignoring everything Morgan has available and just pretending it's somehow the real her and no Clone Usage, no Rhongomyniad Dimensional Barrier and she just stands there like a lemming and does nothing(i.e. The Good Ol' Spacebattles Competence)

Blade said:
you know whats funny? lets say a random example, base z kakarot charges his kame for 20 secs, if you aint stronger, or faster, or have hax to put him down in those secs, no matter how you try to attack him with super slashes or beams, or even call others to attack him at the same time, they all get kame'd, one way or another :mjlol
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Basically but at the end of the day, we know that Goku nor anyone's Kamehameha's never take anything more than like a second or two(And that's being generous) just like how Super Saiyan transformations and otherwise don't take seconds either.
It's just some nitwit desperately trying to pretend there are beings that match Morgan in Fairy Tail which lol... no there isn't.
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
I know what you are saying but you are missing my point here in that you can say the same thing for Hades Magic Bullet. The point is that he's trying to force in charge times where there isn't any so you should point out the hypocrisy of his point entirely. This is again ignoring everything Morgan has available and just pretending it's somehow the real her and no Clone Usage, no Rhongomyniad Dimensional Barrier and she just stands there like a lemming and does nothing(i.e. The Good Ol' Spacebattles Competence)
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I get your point, you are the one missing my point. My point was I am just saying I am not gonna think of those other series if I can.

And that is the thing, I did say that. You are right in that.

I said "There is no charge time whatsoever, Artoria yell her Excalibur name and swing her hand and the attack goes off. Thats like what FT char did always with whatever attack they are using. They yell the name and swing. I might as well say FT takes long to charge an attack then". Honestly that guy's argument is ridiculous.

Well not exactly like word for word but the point is the same.

Like legit the entire Video he give as prove are Artoria yelling Excalibur and swing her hand and the beam happens. Thats bread n butter of FT attacks.
 
Nids have not only been implied to have basically stripmined entire galaxies dead they've moved on to anti psyker units as well

aka everyone is going to be fucked if they're not stopped
 
Claudio Swiss said:
ya mean those things from that trailer
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should be, unfortunately the video link I used is a long one

balde's second video earlier not only details their personal weaponry because apparently they didn't have as much detail before (also haha explicitely hypersonic weaponry) but now the codex is listing the psychic adaptations the tyranids are making
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Salfarc said:
I get your point, you are the one missing my point. My point was I am just saying I am not gonna think of those other series if I can.

And that is the thing, I did say that. You are right in that.

I said "There is no charge time whatsoever, Artoria yell her Excalibur name and swing her hand and the attack goes off. Thats like what FT char did always with whatever attack they are using. They yell the name and swing. I might as well say FT takes long to charge an attack then". Honestly that guy's argument is ridiculous.

Well not exactly like word for word but the point is the same.

Like legit the entire Video he give as prove are Artoria yelling Excalibur and swing her hand and the beam happens. Thats bread n butter of FT attacks.
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TYPE-Moon/Nasuverse Feats/General Thread - People Die If They Are Killed Edition

Alright, I fully finished Ivan The Terrible's section alongside the Oprinchnki since it's ultimately just another of his Noble Phantasms and added in some extras I may have missed and changed some stuff around. I actually plan on adding LB Anastasia next as I actually forgot that LB1 did give...
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About a hundred meters away, Rider’s chariot also slowed to a stop. And it had reversed the direction that it was facing, too. All this time, it had moved straight forward to let Saber trail in its dust, but now it actually turned around; the eyes of the two divine bulls, as well as their master the King of Conquerors, were filled with a feeling of the joy of battle; he looked upon Saber with a captivating gaze.
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is confidence was not hollow. Though he had said that it was a large gamble, Rider himself had full confidence in his victory.

“Light is at the other end of the world—conquer! Via Expugnatio: Distant Trampling Domination!”

The true name of that which had finally been released, the chariot drawn by divine bulls from which lightning suddenly burst forth. The majestic braying of the divine bulls under whose feet Berserker had been trampled in the first battle could never compare to this.

“—Let the wind come!”

Seeing her opponent rush towards her, Saber also hurriedly pulled out her sword under the protection of the air pressure.

Opening the vortex of the hurricane, a golden light shone forth as if to show the kingship of the knight; prana was continuously roiling.

“AAAALaLaLaLaLaie !!”

Accompanying Rider’s roar, the bulls stamped hard once on the asphalt ground; their cloven hooves rushed forward like raging billows. Waver, though overwhelmed by their majesty, nevertheless made an utmost effort to open his eyes wide, so as not to pass out again like the last time. At the fore was a very strong anti-city Noble Phantasm about to be released; in order to gain the initiative, Rider rushed as if his life depended on it, definitely unwilling to give up an opportunity to defeat Saber.

The King of Conquerors’ direct attack sent a shiver down Saber’s spine. By the rushing of the divine bulls, the hundred-meter distance had instantaneously been decreased to zero. In the blink of an eye, the might of Gordius Wheel manifested before her eyes.

If the hilt of her precious sword had still been in her hand, then she would definitely have been certain of victory; facing the golden radiance that Rider raised, there was only one thing that she could shout out, one true name.

“Ex—“

In the moment that the rushing incarnation of thunder was about to trample upon Saber’s small frame—

“Calibur!”

Golden lightning, as if radiating countless comets, made the night as bright as day.

“—!”

Waver’s gaze was drawn by this, dazzled by this, and he could not help but turn around—within the intense attack, he rationalized extremely calmly and realized one thing.

He had personally witnessed the light of Saber’s Noble Phantasm, and that meant… the result was that, before the Gordius Wheel had reached its final step, the King of Knights had taken the first step to initiate her attack.
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I nor you should say anything more than that. She explicitly used Excalibur before the hoof of the Divine Bulls was able to step on her literally. There's no charge time whatsoever and Rhongomyniad is literally in the same boat by Morgan's animations and the Lion King's use of it in the Camelot movies. Noble Phantasm Charge Times is wanked to hell and back to somehow take seconds or minutes when the ONLY time Charge Times ever get anywhere big... is in Arjuna's case in Extella Link but that was when he was already badly injured facing Oraclized Karna and needed more time charging Pashupata.

That's the only time Noble Phantasms having any significant charge times ever happened in canon as otherwise: Unless it's explicitly stated as such, no Noble Phantasm should take more than 1-3 seconds tops to use it's true power.
 
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