• We are currently rolling out incremental alterations to the forum. Don't freak! You aren't going crazy.

OBD Convo #46: No Matter What!

Status
Not open for further replies.
lokoxDZz

lokoxDZz

Acclaimed
V.I.P. Member
Adamant soul said:


Sephiroth - Uh HELL NO! Even with the Compilation in mind, it's pretty fucking hard to actually feel any sympathy for Sephiroth when his reaction to finding out all the truths about him, is to turn his anger against EVERYONE instead of just the people who created and used him. The funny thing is during the intro of the video he shows a clip of Kefka when discussing villains who are "irredeemable", despite the fact Kefka is evil for very similar reasons to Sephiroth. Neither one is sympathetic because their own actions are irredeemable, REGARDLESS of the circumstances which led to them.

Seymour - I'll grant you that the actions he takes actually make some semblance of sense, given what he went through and the nature of the world, but this doesn't make him sympathetic or someone you'd feel sorry for. Ultimately he's still a power hungry mad man who murders people while taunting and laughing about it to another of their race, all while advocating for EVERYONE dying as a release because the world is so shit. There's a reason why Anima says "My Son, do you NOT hate him?" while even Yuna herself is pissed off with him.

Seifer - Okay this one I'll grant you even though him failing the SEED exam is absolutely his own fault, unlike whatever it was you were implying there.

Ardyn - NOPE! Dude literally had the option to screw over Bahamut by just doing NOTHING, but instead decided to do exactly what he wanted while somehow pretending that he was being defiant? About the only thing you can maybe say is understandable is him killing the Gods, everything else he does is still irredeemable and it's pretty hard to feel sorry for him at that point.

Caius - This one I don't think anyone would disagree with.

Golbez - Okay this one's fine too.

Emmet Selke - Don't know how sympathetic he is or isn't.

So yeah pretty fucking shit video overall, with almost half the list lacking any kind of sympathetic traits that would allow one to feel sorry for them, while also excluding more obvious options such as Shuyin from Final Fantasy X-2. Like how the hell do you make a list of FF villains you feel sorry for and include Seymour OVER Shuyin?

He seems to be under the mistaken belief that simply HAVING a tragic backstory is enough to make a villain sympathetic but that's not how that works. Ultimately they are still responsible for their own actions and if those actions aren't really justified by their backstory then they are not sympathetic.
Click to expand...

Speaking of Caius isn't he also one of the few villains to actually achieve what he wanted?
 
Blade

Blade

Peace
V.I.P. Member
Ultra Perm Banned Instinct V-2
Luke.Sullivan.600.4092065.jpg

daniel-walker-sf6-luke.jpg
 
Xhominid The Apex

Xhominid The Apex

Luminous
V.I.P. Member
Shut up and take my money!
Adamant soul said:
Ardyn - NOPE! Dude literally had the option to screw over Bahamut by just doing NOTHING, but instead decided to do exactly what he wanted while somehow pretending that he was being defiant? About the only thing you can maybe say is understandable is him killing the Gods, everything else he does is still irredeemable and it's pretty hard to feel sorry for him at that point.
Click to expand...

On God, I can never understand people who say Ardyn is sympathetic after the DLC thoroughly obliterated any chance of that by showing off he could have easily screwed it over by doing nothing or as we find out in that shitty light novel, just fucking telling Noctis about it.

Kuja? He's sympathetic as fuck despite his actions. Xander? His actions are just as messed up but his situation was pretty fucked from his perspective(Dude was given the gift to die without understanding why something like that would be wanted for an immortal). As you stated, Caius himself is sympathetic as he'll, why pick the worst options available? He'll, Seymour could have fit a list of least understood FF villain as it's insane how little people get his goals despite how obvious they are based on his life experience and Spira's spiral with Sin
 
Last edited:
Adamant soul

Adamant soul

Marvelous
V.I.P. Member
lokoxDZz said:
Speaking of Caius isn't he also one of the few villains to actually achieve what he wanted?
Click to expand...
Pretty much yeah.

He did also want to die but this was prevented by virtue of the fact that dead souls go to the Chaos, the Yuels had effectively gained control of it because of this and, because the Yuels were divided on weather they wanted Caius alive or dead, he is basically stuck in between life and death forever.

So he did get fucked over in a sense, a fitting punishment given the fact he effectively brought about the end of the world. He and the Yuels did remain in the old world to keep the Chaos from getting to the new one (effectively taking on Etro's old role) though so yeah.
 
Adamant soul

Adamant soul

Marvelous
V.I.P. Member
Xhominid The Apex said:
On God, I can never understand people who say Ardyn is sympathetic after the DLC thoroughly obliterated any chance of that by showing off he could have easily screwed it over by doing nothing or as we find out in that shitty light novel, just fucking telling Noctis about it.
Kuja? He's sympathetic as fuck despite his actions. Xander? His actions are just as messed up but his situation was pretty ducked from his perspective(Dude was giving the gift to die without understanding why something like that would be wanted for an immortal). As you stated, Caius himself is sympathetic as he'll, why pick the worst options available? He'll, Seymour could have fit a list of least understood FF villain as it's insane how little people get his goals despite how obvious they are based on his life experience and Spira's spiral with Sin
Click to expand...
Hell Seifer's there so side villains are on the table as well, what about Cid Raines? Yaag Rosch? Gabranth?

Shit even FFXVI villains (aside from Ultima and Anabella obviously) are more sympathetic than a good chunk of what's on that list and they (meaning the villains in general) are probably the weakest element of that game's story. Still more sympathetic than Ardyn, Sephiroth or Seymour for damn sure.

The worst of it is, if you look at the comments, it's full of people sucking Ardyn's dick, saying he's OBVIOUSLY the most sympathetic and some such nonsense with NO ONE pointing out how ridiculous the exclusion of Shuyin was
 
King of time

King of time

Exceptional
Name: Pasto

Personality: Paxton is young, always smiling and optimistic. He often acts innocently and cheerfully, often making silly statements or acting foolishly without even realizing it. Despite this, Paxton has a heart of gold and is always willing to help others without thinking much.

Appearance: Paxton has light brown hair and bright blue eyes. He often wears brightly colored clothes and sometimes ridiculous or humorous costumes.

Superpower: Ability to manipulate constants. Paxton has the ability to adjust parameters such as speed, power, or even time within a certain space. However, due to his naivety and foolishness, he often uses this superpower without thinking, leading to unwanted consequences and causing many humorous or strange situations.

Paxton
Click to expand...
@Paxton
 
King of time

King of time

Exceptional
Name: Xhom

Personality: Xhom has a complex and mysterious personality. He often appears silent and strong, but inside is a deep and analytical soul. Xhom has the ability to see into the moods and actions of people around him, and he uses that understanding to manipulate cause and effect to his will. Even so, he never uses his superpowers irresponsibly or for personal gain.

Appearance: Xhom has a mysterious and attractive appearance, with deep eyes and sharp gaze. He often wears dark and elegant outfits, highlighting his beauty and majesty.

Superpower: Manipulating cause and effect. Xhom has the ability to influence and adjust events and outcomes of all actions according to his will. He can create chains of events or change the laws of nature to achieve his goals. However, Xhom clearly understands that every action has consequences, and he always considers carefully before using his superpowers.

Past: Xhom began discovering his special abilities at a very young age. Through many trials and difficulties in life, he has learned to use his superpowers responsibly and respectfully. Xhom uses his superpowers to help those around him and create a better world for everyone.

Xhom
Click to expand...
@Xhominid The Apex
 
Xhominid The Apex

Xhominid The Apex

Luminous
V.I.P. Member
Shut up and take my money!
Adamant soul said:
Hell Seifer's there so side villains are on the table as well, what about Cid Raines? Yaag Rosch? Gabranth?
Click to expand...

Dude VAYNE and Venat are more sympathetic as their actions was the means to remove the Occuria from fucking with Humanity forever and dying as a pariah at the end of it.

Adamant soul said:
The worst of it is, if you look at the comments, it's full of people sucking Ardyn's dick, saying he's OBVIOUSLY the most sympathetic and some such nonsense with NO ONE pointing out how ridiculous the exclusion of Shuyin was
Click to expand...

Bro how the fuck you exclude Shuyin?! The man who was basically shown his failure on repeat for well over 1000 years till he completely broke? Hell, where is Yu Yevon? Like holy shit, Ardyn is so undeserved and it makes me wonder if people are this genuinely stupid or have some massive confirmation bias when it comes to him. "Wow, dude basically fucked himself over with his own actions and Bahamut made that his destiny but controlled nothing else" how is that sympathetic? Call me when the dude is literally having his SOUL threatened and having to kill to stay existing only when he finally succeeds... he finds out in the worst way possible he's destined to die an extremely early death.

Edit: I forgot to mention but even the dude's existence was also a freak accident equivalent from the start.
 
Cubey

Cubey

The Formality
Blade said:
ac6 is by far the best mech game, of the past decade, it aint even close, i havent felt that mech hype, since the likes of zoe2, front evolved, lost planet 1, titanfall 2 or metal wolf chaos
Click to expand...

Did you play daemon x machina?
 
Adamant soul

Adamant soul

Marvelous
V.I.P. Member
Xhominid The Apex said:
Dude VAYNE and Venat are more sympathetic as their actions was the means to remove the Occuria from fucking with Humanity forever and dying as a pariah at the end of it.
Click to expand...
I still can't get over the Sephiroth pick in particular. Like I at least see the logic for putting Seymour and Ardyn there, no matter how WRONG it is but notice how he doesn't ONCE bring up what Sephiroth's actual plan was and what it would mean for the planet?

You have to cherry-pick the fuck around everything Sephiroth actually does to even PRETEND there's anything sympathetic about him. As I said, it's hypocritical because a lot of the same could be said about Kefka yet HE'S brought as the example of a completely unsympathetic villain.
Xhominid The Apex said:
Bro how the fuck you exclude Shuyin?! The man who was basically shown his failure on repeat for well over 1000 years till he completely broke? Hell, where is Yu Yevon? Like holy shit, Ardyn is so undeserved and it makes me wonder if people are this genuinely stupid or have some massive confirmation bias when it comes to him. "Wow, dude basically fucked himself over with his own actions and Bahamut made that his destiny but controlled nothing else" how is that sympathetic? Call me when the dude is literally having his SOUL threatened and having to kill to stay existing only when he finally succeeds... he finds out in the worst way possible he's destined to die an extremely early death.

Edit: I forgot to mention but even the dude's existence was also a freak accident equivalent from the start.
Click to expand...
True, at least Yu Yevon was trying to preserve the memory of his city and even Yunalesca had reason to believe what she was doing was right. Shuyin wanted to save his lover, dies and gets trapped, forced to relive his failure for 1000 years, FINALLY gets out...only to then realize Spira's on the verge of repeating the EXACT SAME mistake that caused the whole shitstorm in the first place.

Ardyn had a chance to step back, do nothing (or do literally ANYTHING except what Bahamut wanted) and just give Bahamut the middle finger for eternity but NOPE. :maybe
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top