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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

Is there literally any part of this argument that doesn't revolve around extrapolated this dudes abilities to way above what actually happens in the story?
 
CrossTheHorizon said:
Alternate Earth, maybe. But where does it mention another universe?



He can cross dimensions on his own, and attack through them. We've seen Goku do it. The universes are separated by Zeno which is why you normally need an Angel to cross them.

And yeah, being able to prevent someone from fucking with your time through sheer power does in fact mean you can stop someone from fucking with your time through sheer power.
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..genuinely what do you normally think when someone says "this guy reached into an alternate version of the planet"? Do you assume that he's affecting a planet in a normal universe (albeit with variations) or do you assume he's affecting some planet in a weird pocket dimension that isn't actually a universe?

I don't dispute him having dimensional travel period, but he still objectively can't go to other universes on his own ability.

Resisting time stop is not resisting being rewound into a fetus is not resisting being sent to a different time period.

All of this is time manipulation but only one of these is something you can directly give Beerus the feat of resisting.
 
Paxton said:
The page you're reading literally says it reverses time and that the loops can go on for thousands of years. 🤨
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According to Gray Boy's sources, a time loop that he creates will last until well after the sun goes out.[10] However, in truth it only lasts for around ten thousand years or so.
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The "time loop" lasts that long, not that he can make a 1k long time loop. It isnt actually reversing time, its just looping it.
Paxton said:
And I believe the quote you're referring to solely is in regards to "time travel", rather than time based abilities in general.
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Nope
Although the Entities have encountered and acquired abilities that deal with time manipulation, they are unable to use such powers efficiently, as they are extremely energy-intensive. As such, most time-manipulation powers are mixed with simulation/precognition and manifestation.
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Paxton said:
MB.

If a single universe is dying.

And they have access to a nonsensical amount of universes.

Why would the death of a single universe bother them when they don't even exist solely in that universe?
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You tell me, I'm seeing nothing about them being worried about the multiverse dying only that they need to escape the heat death of the universe.

If you have the quote proving otherwise, now would be a good time to post it
 
Also again just in case you think im stupid or something
Although Gray Boy's shard can create a time distortion effect that spans a few seconds between loops and affects everything in its localized area by holding them in a kind of drastic superposition, extending the time between loops to say a minute or a day is effectively not possible due to its sheer cost.
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Masterblack06 said:
The "time loop" lasts that long, not that he can make a 1k long time loop. It isnt actually reversing time, its just looping it.

Nope



You tell me, I'm seeing nothing about them being worried about the multiverse dying only that they need to escape the heat death of the universe.

If you have the quote proving otherwise, now would be a good time to post it
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Someone made an entire analysis of this on SB.


This has happened no less than one hundred and seventy times, with little variation. Each time it occurs, realities are left dead, the grace period before resources run out once again is shorter. That the number of worlds exceed the number of particles that might exist in one world's universe is inconsequential; the creatures multiply exponentially.

They are running out of time.
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- Interlude 26


It's clearly referring to a multiverse (not an infinite one, albeit), not just one universe.
 
Paxton said:
..genuinely what do you normally think when someone says "this guy reached into an alternate version of the planet"? Do you assume that he's affecting a planet in a normal universe (albeit with variations) or do you assume he's affecting some planet in a weird pocket dimension that isn't actually a universe?
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By all means, prove it's a different universe.

Paxton said:
I don't dispute him having dimensional travel period, but he still objectively can't go to other universes on his own ability.
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Because of in-universe reasons that don't apply here.

Paxton said:
Resisting time stop is not resisting being rewound into a fetus is not resisting being sent to a different time period.
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Nah, if you can keep people from fucking with your time, that's it.

Paxton said:
All of this is time manipulation but only one of these is something you can directly give Beerus the feat of resisting.
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That's not how it works. Ki can keep people from fucking with time. If someone tries to fuck with time around him, Beerus can just break it.
 
I wish theres more Fate vs Worm thread. Some threads would say Servants can beat Endbringers, some say they cant.
 
Paxton said:
Someone made an entire analysis of this on SB.



- Interlude 26


It's clearly referring to a multiverse (not an infinite one, albeit), not just one universe.
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Okay so they arent afraid of the heat death they are afraid that they will run out of room because they dont have any idea how to population control


This shits stupid as fuck
:heston
 
Paxton said:
Goku doesn't control anyone's senses or full-on mind control them.

You're asking for a feat against something that's not even something Goku can do.
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Do you have one or not? Does this dude have any kind of telepathic feat that would suggest his mental abilities are greater than a normal DB characters?

You keep mentioning mind control, so show mind control
 
CrossTheHorizon said:
By all means, prove it's a different universe.



Because of in-universe reasons that don't apply here.



Nah, if you can keep people from fucking with your time, that's it.



That's not how it works. Ki can keep people from fucking with time. If someone tries to fuck with time around him, Beerus can just break it.
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1. Occam's Razor would obviously suggest it's an alternate Earth according to the Many Worlds Interpretation (which is explicitly canon in Worm, as the SB link I just posted explains)

2. Could you post the scan in question regarding the "lock" on the universes placed there by Zeno? I genuinely don't recall what you're talking about.

3. That's extrapolating beyond a character's shown capabilities. If Hit did something besides freezing people in time that gets resisted, then fine. But Hit never rewinds someone's time in DBS.

4. This is basically the same as point 3.
 
Resisting exactly two (maybe three) abilities in canon doesn't really help him out here :zaru
 
Paxton said:
Resisting exactly two (maybe three) abilities in canon doesn't really help him out here :zaru
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Imma be honest Fam

you haven't posted a single thing for us to compare anything to so this is a meaningless statement
 
Paxton said:
1. Occam's Razor would obviously suggest it's an alternate Earth according to the Many Worlds Interpretation (which is explicitly canon in Worm, as the SB link I just posted explains)
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Nah, prove it. You said it was a multiverse, which the post didn't mention.

Paxton said:
2. Could you post the scan in question regarding the "lock" on the universes placed there by Zeno? I genuinely don't recall what you're talking about.
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It's not a lock, the universes are separate and only the Angels and Zeno can cross them despite other characters being capable of interdimensional travel inside their own universes.

Paxton said:
3. That's extrapolating beyond a character's shown capabilities. If Hit did something besides freezing people in time that gets resisted, then fine. But Hit never rewinds someone's time in DBS.
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First off, nah. Goku felt someone fuck with his time and stopped it. Any ability that screws with time gets the same treatment

And you did not just say "extrapolate beyond a characters shown abilities" when your entire argument is based on a fearless wonder who never fights and whose puppet with shit feats only uses two of these abilities he's supposed to have :skully

Paxton said:
4. This is basically the same as point 3.
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Look up.
 
Warrior Entity makes a nice match for most stellar characters- it is MFTL in speed, can casually output a supernova's worth of energy, is multi-dimensional in nature, and has plenty of hax. The caveat to defeating an Entity is that its body is not only higher-dimensional but exists across multiple timelines simultaneously.

Any stellar character with decent hax resistance that can damage an opponent across separate timelines can defeat the Entity- as it is Beerus unironically one-shots.
Masterblack06 said:
So quick question then. Sting is noted to be able to harm the entities despite their multidimensional bodies,
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Yeah, Sting is basically a hax effect that added to a power that basically allows your attacks to reach every alternate dimension at once.
 
Darth Zion said:
Warrior Entity makes a nice match for most stellar characters- it is MFTL in speed, can casually output a supernova's worth of energy, is multi-dimensional in nature, and has plenty of hax. The caveat to defeating an Entity is that its body is not only higher-dimensional but exists across multiple timelines simultaneously.

Any stellar character with decent hax resistance that can damage an opponent across separate timelines can defeat the Entity- as it is Beerus unironically one-shots.

Yeah, Sting is basically a hax effect that added to a power that basically allows your attacks to reach every alternate dimension at once.
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To be fair, there are already a bunch of powers that let the Entities fuck with physics/ignore it/outright erase things from existence, so Sting would be a step above those.
 
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