Kiara Sessyion VS Kamen Rider OOOs

[Xhominid The Apex]

So then if CCC Kiara is a stomp would FGO Kiara be a fairer fight?

Both are the same powerlevel wise in terms of CCC Kiara being heavily nerfed. FGO Kiara is hilariously worse as she's the one who has the this:

Spoiler

Myriad Colored Stagnation EX

The thing that metamorphosed Sesshouin Kiara into a demonic boddhisatva.

A heretic technique once created by Kiara in a certain cyber world.

It was a medical software that separated the target's body, mind and soul, stripping the soul naked (without the protection of the body or the mind) so it could listen to their woes and remove their anguish.

Of course, that was just a front.

These defenseless souls, detached from the body and mind, were absorbed into Kiara's own soul, making sure to savour them carefully, while claiming this was salvation.

The power of the ultimate form "charm", or "enthrallment".

This power has only become stronger with her transformation into a Beast.

The beauty of Kiara who's become a Tenma (the Demonic Boddhisatva) with Mara (the crown of the beast) on her head, shakes the sanity, reason, and morals of those who see her.

Those seen by Kiara, or those who saw Kiara, have to roll a check to see if they can sustain their sense of self.

Instead of a "Sanity point save", it's a "Kiara point save".

The senses of sight, taste, hearing, smell and touch. These all have their saving rolls and if you find Kiara beautiful even just a little, you immediately fail.

Those who fail end up losing sight of their self and, after being assaulted by a little dizziness, they become Kiara's devotees, standing on the palm of this boddhisatva without even realizing.

When you open your eyes, a flesh-colored plain stretches into infinity before you.

You're standing on the boddhisatva's palm.

In the direction of the eternally distant horizon, there's Kiara smiling.

"Mankind is a collection of immature beasts.

Subsisting on their desires, drowning in their desires and dissolving into bubbles in their desires; such is their reality──────"

If it's a goddess who would accept such animalistic nature as if she were a boddhisatva, is there anyone who could somehow refuse such enormous and immeasurable love?

With a single finger, she can grant you the overwhelming joy of enlightenment or reaching Nirvana.

The destination is the institution where life is destroyed, the maw of the Heavenly Paradise.

...Like this, no matter how much power one has, it becomes meaningless before a Tenma.

It is difficult for those who possess reason, those who know pleasure and those who know pain to escape from this salvation.

Of course, there is nothing about this salvation that would provide one relief.

Being granted the boddhisatva's benevolence is the impression it gives, but that's strictly from the victims' point of view.

To Kiara, the believers on the palm of her hand are nothing but insignificant rabble on the same level as insects.

The fight with the Boss ver. Kiara starts -> whole party gets charmed by Myriad Colored Stagnation -> the battle stage changes to the stage of being on the palm of Kiara's hand -> Game Over where you couldn't do anything.

...such an ending developed in the FGO/CCC collab.

After that, we escape from Myriad Colored Stagnation with the help of BB, successfully seal the Demonic Boddhisatva transformation by making optimal use of the KP (Kiara Punisher) we collected and commencing the confrontation with Beast III.

It was so ridiculous, you needed a reality warper on a ridiculous scale(BB) to create weaknesses for her to beat her at all.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

have no idea what CCC Kiara can do.

Basically imagine this:
You fight a being that is Solar System level minimum, she is explicitly stronger if you have ANY sort of Intelligence(doesn't have to be human, by the by, either), if you find her beautiful with any of your 5 senses at all, you are completely fucked as she now has full control over your Soul and you are gonna become her fanatic that don't give a fuck about shit but her.

Even if you bypass all of that, she explicitly has access to all 5 of the Sakura Five's most powerful abilities(Meltryllis being able to melt people at a touch and absorb everything about them, including intelligence and abilities, Passionlip being able crush anything "She puts into her hands"(This includes Finger Framing and there's no explicit limit, she can even crush Earth and Space around it like that), she can grow infinitely like Kingprotea(which she does in her NP) and gets stronger the bigger she grows.

That's FGO Kiara, CCC Kiara is even stronger(As she completely took over the Moon Cell and got further empowered by Han's Noble Phantasm) as like I said before, she can fling someone to an entirely different Galaxy on sheer whim as just one of her ridiculous things.

 

[Cryso Agori]

Okay yes, you explained to me that Decade's worlds aren't actually the real ones yes.

But as I said before.



In Zi-O's world, the Riders are explicitly the real ones, and from Decade's exposition there were separate before Swartz fused them.

Plus Build is also explicitly it's own multiverse.

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Both are the same powerlevel wise in terms of CCC Kiara being heavily nerfed. FGO Kiara is hilariously worse as she's the one who has the this:

Hm, that's actually one of the reasons why I thought OOO's was a good matchup. OOO's purple medals have the ability to destroy desire. So I thought that OOO's could resist her hax with them.

But if her AP is that high I guess it doesn't matter if you can resist her hax.

 

[Aurelian]

Okay yes, you explained to me that Decade's worlds aren't actually the real ones yes.

But as I said before.



In Zi-O's world, the Riders are explicitly the real ones, and from Decade's exposition there were separate before Swartz fused them.

Plus Build is also explicitly it's own multiverse.

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Hm, that's actually one of the reasons why I thought OOO's was a good matchup. OOO's purple medals have the ability to destroy desire. So I thought that OOO's could resist her hax with them.

But if her AP is that high I guess it doesn't matter if you can resist her hax.

Why are you repeating what me and Rob have said back to us? Yes, we told you the AR Worlds which Decade is mainly set and focused in for its story are not the same as the real Rider worlds of the actual series or the ones used in Wizard and Zi-Oh.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Hm, that's actually one of the reasons why I thought OOO's was a good matchup. OOO's purple medals have the ability to destroy desire. So I thought that OOO's could resist her hax with them.

But if her AP is that high I guess it doesn't matter if you can resist her hax.

Let me put this into perspective then:
MoonCancer Kiara is the weakest Kiara we have yet... she's still Large Planet because she fully believes without a shadow of a doubt as a Servant, if she and Summer BB(aka Nyarlothetop BB) fight each other, the Planet would be destroyed in the process.
This is despite going with an entirely different way of how her abilities work.
That's not including anything else either.

 

[Cryso Agori]

Why are you repeating what me and Rob have said back to us? Yes, we told you the AR Worlds which Decade is mainly set and focused in for its story are not the same as the real Rider worlds of the actual series or the ones used in Wizard and Zi-Oh.

Because you said Zi-O didn't retcon the Riders being in the same universe as the Heisei Gen movies. Despite how it did going by Decade's explanation.

 

[Aurelian]

Because you said Zi-O didn't retcon the Riders being in the same universe as the Heisei Gen movies. Despite how it did going by Decade's explanation.

Are you confusing things here?

Decade established there is a multiverse in Kamen Rider; the original nine Heisei worlds + the nine AR Heisei worlds along with several other worlds i.e. World of Monsters, World of Decade, World of Nega Riders, existed. You were saying you thought the AR Riders WERE the real Heisei Riders when Rob and I clarified they are not, Zi-Oh was already covered:

The riders in zi o are the real ones because zi o takes place post each respective riders show. Once an another rider is created it retcons the events of the show until the another rider is defeated. The only exception is kabuto where mizushima doesn’t show up as tendou because toei are a bunch of cucks so the burden falls on kagami/gattack instead

eternal is also from another alternate world but he got a broken ass powerup to make up for it.

Zi-Oh takes place after the main events of all the prior Heisei Riders stories.
Decade is set when those stories are still ongoing with the AR Worlds.

Anyway for the main topic:
Eiji has: combo spam via gatakiriba so he can use all of his alternate forms and finishers at once

freezing/absolute zero via putotyra ice breath/scream
Dimensional fuckery with his medaljaibur

super speed with latoratah
And most importantly he shuts down kiaras desire based mindfuck since eiji has no desires of his own

Also this is a good point. PutToTyrano/Purple Combo means Eiji basically has zero desire/nihilism as his main gimmick so he can't be mentally exploited by Kiara.

 

[Cryso Agori]

Are you confusing things here?

Maybe. I'll stop this derail since I've forgotten the original reason I started it.

So just get on with the actual debate.

Does OOO's have the AP to contend with Kiara's AP?

 

[Aurelian]

You mean DC? Destructive capacity? We don't use "attack potency" as a term here that VSB and SB like.

@Vespa Crabro where does Eiji rank again? He's got time-stop and should at least be like city to island level right?

 

[Darth Nihilus]

 

[Cryso Agori]

*Blinks*

What's up with the giant dragon that appears when PuToTyra transforms? That's never happened before.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Also this is a good point. PutToTyrano/Purple Combo means Eiji basically has zero desire/nihilism as his main gimmick so he can't be mentally exploited by Kiara.

CCC/FGO Kiara still murks him as she's Solar System Minimum with her own hax and in MoonCancer, she's Large Planet.
If he only scales to City-Island.

 

[Vespa Crabro]

You mean DC? Destructive capacity? We don't use "attack potency" as a term here that VSB and SB like.

@Vespa Crabro where does Eiji rank again? He's got time-stop and should at least be like city to island level right?

City/island level yeah

speed wise he should at least scale to fourze who in base form can still fly people from earth into deep space in seconds

 

[Aurelian]

City/island level yeah

speed wise he should at least scale to fourze who in base form can still fly people from earth into deep space in seconds

But Kiara is what, star - solar system level?

 

[Vespa Crabro]

Yeah, solar system level with a bunch of hax

planet level at the bare min

 

[Aurelian]

Yeah, solar system level with a bunch of hax

planet level at the bare min

So can Eiji even win this or is it a stalemate or loss?

 

[Uoruk]

Just because they’re called the same doesn’t mean they Are the same

decades kiva is a small 10 year old boy and his kuuga is an insult to the heisei show

Yeah he has a habit of just taking shit at face value

 

[Uoruk]

Okay yes, you explained to me that Decade's worlds aren't actually the real ones yes.

But as I said before.



In Zi-O's world, the Riders are explicitly the real ones, and from Decade's exposition there were separate before Swartz fused them.

Plus Build is also explicitly it's own multiverse.

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Hm, that's actually one of the reasons why I thought OOO's was a good matchup. OOO's purple medals have the ability to destroy desire. So I thought that OOO's could resist her hax with them.

But if her AP is that high I guess it doesn't matter if you can resist her hax.

Are you actually paying attention to what people say to you or are you just waiting for your moment to post images and paragraphs because you literally just repeated what they said to you back to them as if you were explainng to them why they're wrong

 

[Cryso Agori]

Are you actually paying attention to what people say to you or are you just waiting for your moment to post images and paragraphs because you literally just repeated what they said to you back to them as if you were explainng to them why they're wrong

The Hunter said this.

That would naturally occur with normal powerscaling anyways since most of the crossover movies from Decade x Den-O are canon.

I thought meant he was saying that the Riders all exist in one universe. (I heard the argument on SB) But Zi-O obviously contradicts that.

So that's where the confusion was coming from.

 

[Aurelian]

The Hunter said this.

I thought meant he was saying that the Riders all exist in one universe. (I heard the argument on SB) But Zi-O obviously contradicts that.

So that's where the confusion was coming from.

That's not what I said.

I said everything starting with Decade x Den-O's movie, Decade x Double, Double x OOOs, etc...with phase 2 Heisei have canon crossovers because that's where Toei wanted KR series to all be literally interconnected and having the same continuity. That is why I bloody contrasted this with both the AR Heisei worlds and normal Heisei worlds be in the same multiverse but not the same things.