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This is for Chief vs Shephard, Doomguy, Titus, Captain America, or whoever. I haven't calced every feat mentioned but a lot of these can be eyeballed to understand the range. I will finish the calcs later, but the main arguments have been written down:

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Spartans Cannot Move at Relativistic Speeds

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:AbeLincoln1865/Halo_Hypersonic_Feats This was calculated before, fairly clear cut. Feats Used Is it an outlier? There are 5 feats across the whole Halo Franchise that are used to justify relativistic spartans. Halo: The Flood But the Chief knew...
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Maddie said:
This is for Chief vs Shephard, Doomguy, Titus, Captain America, or whoever. I haven't calced every feat mentioned but a lot of these can be eyeballed to understand the range. I will finish the calcs later, but the main arguments have been written down:

docs.google.com

Spartans Cannot Move at Relativistic Speeds

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:AbeLincoln1865/Halo_Hypersonic_Feats This was calculated before, fairly clear cut. Feats Used Is it an outlier? There are 5 feats across the whole Halo Franchise that are used to justify relativistic spartans. Halo: The Flood But the Chief knew...
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I think you're underselling how Halo's universe works and the kind of feats we’ve seen. Just because relativistic speeds seem out of place at first glance doesn’t mean they actually break the setting.

You mention that only about 16% of Spartan feats are relativistic, suggesting these are outliers. But Halo deals with tech that’s way beyond what we’d consider "normal," especially Forerunner and Covenant tech. In a universe like this, where aliens and AIs manipulate reality itself, having rare high-end feats makes perfect sense. Spartans aren’t always moving at light speed, but when they're up against some of the most advanced tech in the galaxy, they can be pushed to that level.

Take a look at some specific examples: In Halo: The Flood, Chief dodges Forerunner Sentinel beams, which are pretty much at light speed. In Halo: Evolutions, Spartans are intercepting shots at hypersonic+ speeds. And don’t forget the scene in Fall of Reach where Chief deflects a Scorpion missile with Cortana’s help. These aren't random moments of coolness; they’re legit feats showing just how far the combination of Spartan augmentations and advanced tech can go, especially when you throw Cortana into the mix.

You also argue that Halo's setting doesn’t support physics that would allow Spartans to reach these speeds. But Halo has been pushing the limits of physics for years.

Slipspace tech lets ships move faster than light, completely bending reality.

Forerunner technology is designed to manipulate matter and space. So when Spartans encounter things like Sentinel beams, reacting at near-light speeds is just part of the deal.

MJOLNIR armor literally moves at the speed of thought and enhances reaction times to insane levels, especially with AI support. Combine that with Cortana’s calculations, and dodging a near-light-speed beam isn’t out of the question.

Also, Halo ships are stated to accelerate so fast they can liquefy their passengers without proper dampening. This shows that extreme physics already exist in the Halo universe, so it’s not like these feats are out of place. They’re part of the tech and lore we've already seen.

While most Spartan feats are in the subsonic to supersonic+ range, it doesn’t mean the occasional high-end feats are a contradiction. Spartans operate at whatever speed they need in any given scenario, but when they face serious threats, like Forerunners, they rise to the occasion. Chief dodging near-light-speed beams while fighting enemies at supersonic speeds isn’t weird; it reflects the variety of challenges they face. Saying that it "breaks" the setting ignores the fact that Halo often bends its own rules when it comes to tech and storytelling.

When you say Newtonian physics should limit Spartans from hitting these kinds of speeds, I get it. But let’s not forget the kind of tech the Spartans use.

Energy shields, plasma weapons, MAC cannons, and Slipspace tech all defy regular physics.

Spartans have survived some of the most insane situations, including HAVOK nukes (30 megatons), and keep going.

And Cortana boosting Chief’s reaction time means he’s moving at a level far beyond just “enhanced human.”

For advanced tech like Beam Rifles or Sentinel beams, Spartans are written to keep up because they have to, not because it’s a flaw in the narrative. It’s all part of the stakes in Halo.

At the end of the day, Halo isn’t about sticking perfectly to Newtonian physics. It’s a world where AIs live in armor, soldiers can block anti-tank missiles, and ancient Forerunners manipulate space-time. So if Chief has to go relativistic for a moment, especially with Cortana’s help to dodge a beam or block a missile, it doesn’t break anything. It just raises the stakes.

Master Chief doesn’t spend his time moving at light speed. But in those crucial moments where it matters, like when dodging Forerunner lasers, he’s capable of pushing beyond normal limits. Those feats aren’t outliers, they’re proof of what Spartans can really do in the universe Halo has built.

These relativistic moments fit the scale of Halo's technology and story. Chief, with Cortana’s aid, can absolutely hit these extremes when necessary, and that just adds to the universe’s depth.

Why should Halo be constrained by real-world physics when we allow other sci-fi franchises to operate with even more extreme feats? Should we start doing the same for Mass Effect, Star Wars, Warhammer 40k, Doctor Who, and Star Trek.

Mass Effect, we have Commander Shepard at large building level with physical strikes, at least wall level+ with standard mass accelerator weaponry, city block level+ with high explosive rounds, multi city block level with high explosive grenades and Biotics, and at least multi city block level+ to town level with heavy weaponry. His speed is massively hypersonic+.

If Mass Effect can have these high-end feats without breaking its setting, why should Halo be restricted?
 
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