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That's also my problem with this. If that's how they are going about it, then it raises so many questions because The Metaverse has explicit limits in what it can affect and how much it can seep into reality. It's also ridiculous because while Yaldabaoth was able to erase The Phantom Thieves from existence, it was only done through having the entire populace do so and they only didn't die due to Lavenza's influence(or hell, it may not even be that either) and they was boosted enough to kill Yaldabaoth due to also getting the entire populace behind them.
It's a clusterfuck using it for anything because again, The Metaverse in P5 and it's spinoffs is usually only defined to an entire CITY in comparison to GER.
Of course, I'm also saying having Joker win through absolute nonsense is just as bad(Using the fucking Omnipotent Orb's ultra vague description of all things?! And then somehow forcing GER to be an "Almighty" attack?! I understand how Omni-Man defeated Bardock now).
It could be anywhere since a large part is going to come down to what sources they pull from. I'm assuming they are leaving comics and cartoons off the table and will focus on the game-series. But then you have questions on whether they are sticking with say... the mainline game series, or if they'll pull in spin-offs like Paper Mario and so forth. From what I'm aware, I think they have enough in their arsenals to counter each-other and there could be a realistic argument for either one to win depending on what gets used.
On the minion side, a lot of the final bosses of Sonic games are less things related to Eggman and more Ancient Threats that he awakens to benefit his plans. Chaos, the Biolizard, Gaia and so forth... so I wouldn't imagine those are factors. Time Eater is another primordial being he stumbled across, but that would have a better argument for being included because Eggman teamed up with his past self to modify it into a mech for them to use. Metal Sonic is a major threat, it can use Chaos Control, and required a team of Super Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles to defeat at the end of Heroes.
Between Bowser, King Boo, and Kamek there is a lot of magic hax on that side of the field to worry about, and some of that could be tricky for the Eggman army to answer for since magic hax isn't something he typically has to fight against in the mainline Sonic games. Bowser of course has the benefit of being an incredibly powerful pound for pound fighter himself with a wide array of hax, while Eggman is very dependent on his mechs and henchman to give him a fighting chance.
Araki was the one who wrote Eye of Heaven, wasn't he?
As far as I know its not part of either main timeline, but it's still "something that can happen in Jojo" kinda like Novel Cars.
Watched the fight. Animation was cool and the reasoning was about what I expected from what others said.
Maruki apparently can do something similar to GER and prevent you from taking actions against him even after you've done them, so that at least gives some standing to Joker resisting a similar power.
And they took the scale of previous Persona games and applied it to P5 (and also took some statements at face value) to give Joker the oomph necessary to work against GER. Which would be iffy but they were also using the same reasoning to make GER universal (i.e. a couple of statements from characters and databooks)
I don't think this lines up with how we'd do it, obviously, but their internal logic was consistent and applied to both sides so I don't have a problem with it
Maruki apparently can do something similar to GER and prevent you from taking actions against him even after you've done them, so that at least gives some standing to Joker resisting a similar power.
And they took the scale of previous Persona games and applied it to P5 (and also took some statements at face value) to give Joker the oomph necessary to work against GER. Which would be iffy but they were also using the same reasoning to make GER universal (i.e. a couple of statements from characters and databooks)
I don't think this lines up with how we'd do it, obviously, but their internal logic was consistent and applied to both sides so I don't have a problem with it
Huh. That would make it a bit iffier, but presumably if he's supervising he'd have stopped them from having GER lose to Dio OH or otherwise adjusted the storyline
I mean they interpret high ends for both fighters. Joker just had the edge because of Orb. Which tbh is consistent for the whole series. As the Orb can even work against the final game bosses. Iirc it even works against Nyx. I could be wrong.
The reason Eyes over Heaven is so controversial is because GER is stated to be the ultimate stand. Yet it got overpowered by Dio. The same game Jotaro was able to bypass the same Dio and land punches. And even at the end Jotaro was on par with Dio. People say Araki couldn't have supervised because that was allowed it.
Which tbf, that prove or disprove Araki was apart of that decision. Because Jotaro glazing is real thing, and we see mangaka break their own work all the time for glazing.
But this is what I found when I googled Araki's involvement with the game. As it did say Araki was supervising.
The reason Eyes over Heaven is so controversial is because GER is stated to be the ultimate stand. Yet it got overpowered by Dio. The same game Jotaro was able to bypass the same Dio and land punches. And even at the end Jotaro was on par with Dio. People say Araki couldn't have supervised because that was allowed it.
Which tbf, that prove or disprove Araki was apart of that decision. Because Jotaro glazing is real thing, and we see mangaka break their own work all the time for glazing.
But this is what I found when I googled Araki's involvement with the game. As it did say Araki was supervising.
he hasnt written any of the spinoff material afaik, he did give an ASB interview that talked about the separate timeline stuff once but it was more about the manga Josukes to clarify that, not aware of him actually writing EOH’s plotline itselfAraki was the one who wrote Eye of Heaven, wasn't he?
As far as I know its not part of either main timeline, but it's still "something that can happen in Jojo" kinda like Novel Cars.
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I’ll just wait for the whole season to be released and then binge through it all. I’ve got other shows I need to catch up on.
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I haven’t finished Part 5 or played Persona so I’m unfamiliar but is this another variation of “only holy weapons can hurt them” type of NLF?
The Almighty thing was kinda irrelevant anyway since the actual argument for him resisting GER was "Maruki did something similar". Almighty bypassing shit was just another way around it.
Yes, especially as The Omnipotent Orb doesn't even carry over it's traits from P3 to 5 as Qinglong stated. It's just pretending GER somehow counts as an "Almighty" attack.
Yeah they nerf it to just elements in Royal.
I honestly need to look it over anyway because it may have been the same shit with Yaldabaoth all over again with a similar result(aka Lavenza basically saves your ass)
Persona let's you build shit so your characters can nullify or reflect certain types of attacks. One element is called Almighty and there is specifically no way to block or nullify it (for you or your enemies iirc)
So yeah it's a game mechanic for the most part