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Game Official Ranked The Boys: Mafia - Game Thread (Day 6)

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Flower said:
I'm also the one in this game who reads you best aside from Ultra who is dead, so discrediting me and tilting me out is a thing you'd have to do p much.

I'm not sure you're scum, but I consider it strongly in a Town Poyser world.
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you don't read me well lmao you sheeped ultra in those games and/or got upset I didn't town read you even though that's not something I always do as town either
 
Ratchet said:
Eh, no I don't accept this. I think you could do that without being concerned about her scum reading you back, largely because you can quite easily characterise it as OMGUS and not really worry about it threatening your survival. And if you buddy up to her, there is a risk that it comes across as buddying, so it's not like you're choosing the path of most resistance here. You might be, but there is resistance either way is my point. When I say that you feel concerned with self preservation, it's that I feel there is a gap between how you're playing and how you would play this as town. Now there could be a few reasons as to why that gap exists, and not all result in you being scum, but I'm reading along and following your points expecting to hit one where I'm convinced by it and I'm not quite getting there. Even if I don't agree, I think I should be able to see that you really believe in it. Maybe I'm missing it, or it's not there. I think I'm going to let Poyser's alignment decide that.
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sounds like you're lining up mislynches tbh
 
Tempest said:
you don't read me well lmao you sheeped ultra in those games and/or got upset I didn't town read you even though that's not something I always do as town either
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I never sheep Ultra. In fact, in a few cases he arrived at a read on you after me. And in GTA I was right while he was wrong even.

So yeah, you are just now trying to discredit me lmao.
 
Tempest said:
In retrospect I think poyser fits more as SK. He went from very weak and meandering d1 to just reflexively pushing whoever was pushing him. Wagonomics doesn't really point to a scum team. He seems to be playing for his own survival which doesn't fit his mafia MO
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This could be the case. There are several town reads that it could work for actually too. I am not actually hunting for Serial yet so there is a possible blindspot there. My only defence of his slot is that he is not playing like how I would expect him to on a team.

As for Champs, aside from other things, his play around the two wagons felt to me like how scum would play around town wagons. Logically, if he is town and has committed to sheeping Ultra, he would be aware of who Ultra is pushing, and then would vote Poyser by saying he's just sheeping Ultra. Here it felt like he wanted to divorce himself from the vote but his thought process didn't quite track because deep down, he didn't really care either way. So he ends up on Poyser. The only defence I ha e for him here is that I think it's unlikely he plays around a partner like that, for the reasons that you've identified. So a Mafia flip would have me bury my suspicion.
 
Ratchet said:
You could choose to take it that way, sure. I can't defend conjecture. Do you think I'm scum?
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Wasn't, but setting up a dichotomy where you say you'll lynch a town read and if they flip what you expect you'll lynch someone else seems like an odd detour to just pushing who you think is more likely to flip scum
 
it's not like a poyser lynch is a foregone conclusion here. I want to explore other leads as I think he's more likely indie at this point
 
Tempest said:
Wasn't, but setting up a dichotomy where you say you'll lynch a town read and if they flip what you expect you'll lynch someone else seems like an odd detour to just pushing who you think is more likely to flip scum
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I feel like I have explained why I have gotten there and why I'm considering going over in that direction afterwards, though. You can frame it as scum motivated, but that doesn't actually address my thought process, which you either follow or you don't.

I would also add that nothing I said there indicated that I would retire my suspicion on my scum reads at any point. What it means is that I would move you into Orange. I'd probably still want Champ first, unless there is some good reason to go elsewhere. I'm outlining how my read on you would change off the back of a Town Poyser flip, because then I'd know for sure that his thoughts are genuine so I need to consider them when I'm evaluating the gamestate.
 
Hey I keep forgetting this game is on and having to read back fuck me

Anything I should focus on, not in the mood for 25 more pages
 
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