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TYPE-Moon/Nasuverse Feats/General Thread - People Die If They Are Killed Edition
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Alright, I'm almost FINALLY done with the Musashi section at long last and after that, it will be a quick blow through of the rest of LB5 to get to LB6 proper so by the time LB7 comes out, I'm comfortably would be a good chunk through LB6's Archive. I will then think on when I will get started on the Singularities and then the Ordeal Call when we get to it.
I'll prepare Dioscuri's section in advance either Saturday or Sunday. I also haven't brought up recent stuff about the past Events less out of nothing happened in them but more of I just forget to do so and it's not much.
The biggest thing we get in the past Event(Mt. Liang) is the fact that not only do we have Compatibility in which Servant can be allowed in a Singularity(This has always been there since Ozymandias being "summoned" to Jerusalem basically forced in all of Ancient Egypt by proxy and why Gilgamesh couldn't just be summoned to deal with Ivan The Terrible) but the limit of how many Servants can even be in it in the first place.
I'll prepare Dioscuri's section in advance either Saturday or Sunday. I also haven't brought up recent stuff about the past Events less out of nothing happened in them but more of I just forget to do so and it's not much.
The biggest thing we get in the past Event(Mt. Liang) is the fact that not only do we have Compatibility in which Servant can be allowed in a Singularity(This has always been there since Ozymandias being "summoned" to Jerusalem basically forced in all of Ancient Egypt by proxy and why Gilgamesh couldn't just be summoned to deal with Ivan The Terrible) but the limit of how many Servants can even be in it in the first place.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iLO-FCIgoqDGmooOqIt2uO0giMKFOMe_/view. Fate: Lost Einherjar Vol. English translation 1 If anyone likes to read, I will leave it here
Okay, so finally I can update this as there is something in an Event in awhile that's not basically just "worth nothing"
In the Morganfest Event, they basically just throw it out there that yes, the Tam Lin are legit and even Baobhan Sith(who basically had to consistently get gimped in LB6 to the point when we had the last battle, Castoria was already at full pilgrimage level) was basically utterly wrecking the shit out of Britomart in a head on battle that was with her exclusively being terrible at not killing her opponents.
Even Astraea could only barely hold Melusine from basically ending her even with her taking one hit and with Waver buffing Gray and Mash could barely hold Barghest.
Even funnier is the fact that Morgan had to explicitly tell Melusine to hold off on the speed because, and I got pictures, the simulator wouldn't be able to take her at max speed and break:
Again if people actually read rather than just use what's convenient, using Mach 2 Melusine in a serious context is absolutely stupid.
Only reason Britomart even won despite the fact that it was a competition... was that she used El-Melloi's advice and BOOKED IT the second she had the opportunity and Sith STILL nearly caught her in the process
Tam Lin still strong, after all.
In the Morganfest Event, they basically just throw it out there that yes, the Tam Lin are legit and even Baobhan Sith(who basically had to consistently get gimped in LB6 to the point when we had the last battle, Castoria was already at full pilgrimage level) was basically utterly wrecking the shit out of Britomart in a head on battle that was with her exclusively being terrible at not killing her opponents.
Even Astraea could only barely hold Melusine from basically ending her even with her taking one hit and with Waver buffing Gray and Mash could barely hold Barghest.
Even funnier is the fact that Morgan had to explicitly tell Melusine to hold off on the speed because, and I got pictures, the simulator wouldn't be able to take her at max speed and break:
Again if people actually read rather than just use what's convenient, using Mach 2 Melusine in a serious context is absolutely stupid.
Only reason Britomart even won despite the fact that it was a competition... was that she used El-Melloi's advice and BOOKED IT the second she had the opportunity and Sith STILL nearly caught her in the process
Tam Lin still strong, after all.
Of course it's a joke, you have Servants being able to still fight Ranmaru X moving at Mach 49, Servants being able to deal with minigun levels of fire no problem even after it fires and basically everything about Dioscuri.
It's just ridiculous that I still hear people acting as if Servants being Supersonic is true because they basically watched F/SN and little else.
Since I'm finally almost done with the Musashi Thread, I'll start on the Dioscuri Preamble and basically remove this when I work on it in earnest:
The Brotherly-Sister Duo that only has a bit of incest teasing? The hell have I heard that from...
Either way it's Dioscuri(Yeah, I was supposed to do them before Musashi but... you saw that humongous wait for Musashi...)
If you are wondering if I will add their Lostbelt Selves? No, I won't, it's basically pointless to even do so. Outside of Pollux being an enabler and Castor being even more bloodthirsty than he was before, there's no virtual difference. Also FYI, all of their feats are obviously considering the both of them together because while going by legend, Pollux would be a better boxer than Castor and so on, ingame they don't appear to be THAT vastly different so while I will be clarifying who does what, they both share one Saint Graph and Divine Core so it doesn't matter.
Parameters
Magic Resistance: A
Riding: B
Avenger: B
Oblivion Correction: C
Self-Recovery (Magical Energy): D
Divine Core of the Twin Gods: B
Guardians of Sea Voyages: B
Mana Burst (Light/Ancient): A
Rank: B
Type: Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm
Range: 0~3
Maximum Targets: 1 person
『Starlight Shield, Starlight Sword』
Rank: B
Type: Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm
Range: 0~3
Maximum Targets: 1 person
Feats(Strength, Speed, Durability, etc.)
To basically get into the entire meat and potatoes, Dioscuri is consistently described(as well as they themselves state) to be able to move as fast as light on multiple occasions:
I'm bringing these in here just to ultimately get it out of the way along with the proof I have in a certain Threadmark(which I swear I will change around due to even easier info and ways I can point out the flaws) because otherwise, I would be here all day stating the obvious.
Also, a few of their feats will also come from the Musashi Thread so here you go:
Here, Mash simply speaking about Castor causes him to lash out in murderous rage and anger and aims an immediate killing blow that Musashi blocks. Here, while Musashi talks shit about Castor's attack, in her head she's utterly freaking out over how strong and fast it was even comparing it to light itself to the point no Sword Saint could match the attack Castor pulled off. Here, Musashi states she's glad Holmes prepared a support spell in advance or Mash's head would be long on the ground otherwise.
Here, upon Castor attacking Musashi, Musashi states if she planned on sacrificing herself, she could atleast take down either Castor or Pollux with her but not with the risk that the other would still be alive or both at the same time(This fits Nasu's statement that Kojirou going all in against Heracles can take off a life but die doing so)
Now to get to their actual exclusive feats for themselves past the most obvious:
Here, Meuniere states that behind Kirschtaria is 2 Servants that are registered as one but are ultimately recognized as Divine Spirits onpar, if not stronger, than Caenis.
Here, when Dioscuri takes Caenis away on Kirschtaria's orders, Jason states they didn't kill Caenis yet into goading Dioscuri into a fight but Orion in his mind all but implies with his words that despite the Servants on their side(Mandricardo, Jason, Chiyome, Mash and Orion himself), Dioscuri would have trounced them.
Here, Musashi states the group of enemies have such intense magical energy, it surpasses Talos(Whose already on the level of Divine Spirits as is). To be fair, you could say it's the combination of beings that surpasses Talos but it's obvious from Musashi's statements that even one of them surpasses Talos.
Here(Surprisingly using an Event of all things... really should do that more often), it's stated that while all of the Mallet's wishes work on Servant Spirit Origins instantly, for Dioscuri it took awhile to actually work. Here, the Mallet's wish finally works and they immediately ascend to their Third Ascension and Mash states their powers have increased tenfold and can't be stated to be Heroic Spirits anymore but Divine Spirits.
Here, Musashi states despite Mash doing better in blocking their attacks, Caenis and her spearplay and Caligula still going strong despite his injuries and Musashi herself, they are still too equal and it's ultimately a battle of attrition.
Here, Holmes shoots a Beam of Light at Dioscuri who treats it as nothing but Holmes states that while they are Divine Spirits of Light capable of near-lightspeed, they can't nullify all forms of light. Here, Holmes believes that if this means they can exploit openings due to that while Caenis pretty much tells him he can't do shit against them regardless.
While I took a pic of this, I wanted to get it in particular here:
Here Castor, completely frustrated by the God Slayer Alliance gaining the advantage, zeroes in on Ritsuka and uses his Authority of FTL to ambush Ritsuka and chokes the life out of them. Here, Pollux realizes Castor is bleeding from his mouth from doing it and states basically the above can ultimately destroy their Spirit Core as they are only Divine Spirits now while Castor brushes it off(It's ultimately hard to state if Dioscuri did take real damage from this or it's a slow degradation to death. Meltryllis went a much further distance up and despite basically being a Divine Spirit herself, took awhile to break apart and an actual 2nd use to truly die completely meanwhile Castor is just damaged but Pollux's concern does bring still bring up the potential possibility).
Here, upon Castor getting spooked and throwing Ritsuka after finding out they are the ammo to the Black Barrel's Lifescale, Caenis goes for a double attack upon him and Pollux. Here, Marcarios and Adele use a joint AoG Magecraft from Hades and Athena to take down Dioscuri. Here, the aftermath where Castor and Pollux are basically utterly wrecked and basically vanished after getting some questions asked, answered and going down spiteful.
Okay, now I SERIOUSLY apologize for this one, considering this was me just being lazy as hell for months and seriously taking way too much time off.
The Brotherly-Sister Duo that only has a bit of incest teasing? The hell have I heard that from...
Either way it's Dioscuri(Yeah, I was supposed to do them before Musashi but... you saw that humongous wait for Musashi...)
If you are wondering if I will add their Lostbelt Selves? No, I won't, it's basically pointless to even do so. Outside of Pollux being an enabler and Castor being even more bloodthirsty than he was before, there's no virtual difference. Also FYI, all of their feats are obviously considering the both of them together because while going by legend, Pollux would be a better boxer than Castor and so on, ingame they don't appear to be THAT vastly different so while I will be clarifying who does what, they both share one Saint Graph and Divine Core so it doesn't matter.
Parameters
Figure within FGO
Class Skills
Mad Enhancement: B-Surprisingly, it pops up in her NP lines and here and there so no need to actually bring in examples.
Magic Resistance: A
Not really shown anywhere.
Riding: B
Again not really shown anywhere
Avenger: B
Again, basically stated in their ingame profile and Castor states it all the time so it's meaningless to bring it here.
Oblivion Correction: C
Self-Recovery (Magical Energy): D
Divine Core of the Twin Gods: B
I would bring it up but again, it's effectively told in Olympus and the foundation of their legend so pointless to bring up.
Personal Skills
Star of the King of the Gods: ANever popped up in the story(seriously sorry, despite my long ass absence on these due to alot of deals, they don't give anything on what these Skills do for most of them outside of the obvious)
Guardians of Sea Voyages: B
Not used in the story.
Mana Burst (Light/Ancient): A
While not stated exactly, it is all but implied it is basically where the bulk of their strength and speed manifests from(Which I will catalogue it all later)
Noble Phantasms
『Praiseful Song of the Twin Gods』Rank: B
Type: Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm
Range: 0~3
Maximum Targets: 1 person
Surprisingly not used in the Story, believe it or not(You think Lostbelt Castor would be all over using a True Name Release to puff himself up moreso).
『Starlight Shield, Starlight Sword』
Rank: B
Type: Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm
Range: 0~3
Maximum Targets: 1 person
While the story never shows the Conceptual Defense being used, the weapon and shield themselves are stated to be created from Adamant(the same as Achilles Shield and Armor and Odysseus' Aegis) in their Bond Craft Essence.
Feats(Strength, Speed, Durability, etc.)
To basically get into the entire meat and potatoes, Dioscuri is consistently described(as well as they themselves state) to be able to move as fast as light on multiple occasions:
I'm bringing these in here just to ultimately get it out of the way along with the proof I have in a certain Threadmark(which I swear I will change around due to even easier info and ways I can point out the flaws) because otherwise, I would be here all day stating the obvious.
Also, a few of their feats will also come from the Musashi Thread so here you go:
Here, Mash simply speaking about Castor causes him to lash out in murderous rage and anger and aims an immediate killing blow that Musashi blocks. Here, while Musashi talks shit about Castor's attack, in her head she's utterly freaking out over how strong and fast it was even comparing it to light itself to the point no Sword Saint could match the attack Castor pulled off. Here, Musashi states she's glad Holmes prepared a support spell in advance or Mash's head would be long on the ground otherwise.
Here, upon Castor attacking Musashi, Musashi states if she planned on sacrificing herself, she could atleast take down either Castor or Pollux with her but not with the risk that the other would still be alive or both at the same time(This fits Nasu's statement that Kojirou going all in against Heracles can take off a life but die doing so)
Now to get to their actual exclusive feats for themselves past the most obvious:
Here, Meuniere states that behind Kirschtaria is 2 Servants that are registered as one but are ultimately recognized as Divine Spirits onpar, if not stronger, than Caenis.
Here, when Dioscuri takes Caenis away on Kirschtaria's orders, Jason states they didn't kill Caenis yet into goading Dioscuri into a fight but Orion in his mind all but implies with his words that despite the Servants on their side(Mandricardo, Jason, Chiyome, Mash and Orion himself), Dioscuri would have trounced them.
Here, Musashi states the group of enemies have such intense magical energy, it surpasses Talos(Whose already on the level of Divine Spirits as is). To be fair, you could say it's the combination of beings that surpasses Talos but it's obvious from Musashi's statements that even one of them surpasses Talos.
Here(Surprisingly using an Event of all things... really should do that more often), it's stated that while all of the Mallet's wishes work on Servant Spirit Origins instantly, for Dioscuri it took awhile to actually work. Here, the Mallet's wish finally works and they immediately ascend to their Third Ascension and Mash states their powers have increased tenfold and can't be stated to be Heroic Spirits anymore but Divine Spirits.
Here, Musashi states despite Mash doing better in blocking their attacks, Caenis and her spearplay and Caligula still going strong despite his injuries and Musashi herself, they are still too equal and it's ultimately a battle of attrition.
Here, Holmes shoots a Beam of Light at Dioscuri who treats it as nothing but Holmes states that while they are Divine Spirits of Light capable of near-lightspeed, they can't nullify all forms of light. Here, Holmes believes that if this means they can exploit openings due to that while Caenis pretty much tells him he can't do shit against them regardless.
While I took a pic of this, I wanted to get it in particular here:
Here Castor, completely frustrated by the God Slayer Alliance gaining the advantage, zeroes in on Ritsuka and uses his Authority of FTL to ambush Ritsuka and chokes the life out of them. Here, Pollux realizes Castor is bleeding from his mouth from doing it and states basically the above can ultimately destroy their Spirit Core as they are only Divine Spirits now while Castor brushes it off(It's ultimately hard to state if Dioscuri did take real damage from this or it's a slow degradation to death. Meltryllis went a much further distance up and despite basically being a Divine Spirit herself, took awhile to break apart and an actual 2nd use to truly die completely meanwhile Castor is just damaged but Pollux's concern does bring still bring up the potential possibility).
Here, upon Castor getting spooked and throwing Ritsuka after finding out they are the ammo to the Black Barrel's Lifescale, Caenis goes for a double attack upon him and Pollux. Here, Marcarios and Adele use a joint AoG Magecraft from Hades and Athena to take down Dioscuri. Here, the aftermath where Castor and Pollux are basically utterly wrecked and basically vanished after getting some questions asked, answered and going down spiteful.
Okay, now I SERIOUSLY apologize for this one, considering this was me just being lazy as hell for months and seriously taking way too much time off.
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Yeah, Split stated that apparently Pandora's Box as a function is literally a "Get Out Of Pruning Once" card which is honestly extremely hilarious and can easily pan over into an FGO storyline.
Illya is doing a really good job of being creepy as hell 
Honestly, it's an extremely effective scene and I may actually save some of the images and place them here like I did for some of the Manga Panels I did in the past.
I do love they further cemented that Darius did become the "King of The Giants" meaning it gives more kudos for how the Heroic Spirits absolutely destroyed him only just using their NPs and little else.
I do love they further cemented that Darius did become the "King of The Giants" meaning it gives more kudos for how the Heroic Spirits absolutely destroyed him only just using their NPs and little else.
TYPE-Moon/Nasuverse Feats/General Thread - People Die If They Are Killed Edition
You guys paying attention to valentine story event? Main appeal of Valentine event is valentine's scene with the servants (just like lotto being main appeal for fest events) Expecting good story from events like Valentine is like expecting money dropping from skies But don't fret, Sea monster...
onelastforum.com Finally, finally, FINALLY done with Musashi's section... and that was with still me purposefully cutting some parts off because I would absolutely have to cut it into chunks after a point.
I'll just make an addendum once I truly aim to finish Samurai Remnant(planning on starting in earnest around Winter Break time... so basically next week) as nobody covered the DLC and I bought all of the DLC packs and when the Shimousa Manga ends in earnest.
I have heard of this honestly but it's funnier actually seeing it be confirmed that Hippolayta is sitting on something so bullshit like that. I remember it was stated in an SB VS. debate and they got assblasted that she was sitting on something so powerful while being seen as a "weak Heroic Spirit" in comparison to Alcides... when it's been that case for characters that come off weak sitting on phenomenally BS Noble Phantasms(Like Sasaki Kojirou with Tsubame Gaeshi, Hektor with Durandiana, Musashi with her Daitenshou, Hans with his Noble Phantasm, etc, etc.)
It's just been something I heard consistently on SB because they don't understand how fiction works...
Either way though, it's honestly funny that this is the best Narita can come up with because he couldn't stop with the Alcides push because now I'm really reminded that for all of the insanity that comes from the Greek Gods actually being ridiculously bullshit AI Machines from a different Universe that crossed from a different dying Universe. That has seen the Tanhausser Mirror World that is potentially where the Outer Gods are(I need to put that up in the overall section in the Olympus Thread). That basically has given insanely ridiculous things like the Aegis and otherwise:
Ares somehow skimped out on his gifts and all we see is a fucking sash, an Axe and a laser pointer for a weapon