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Game Ranked Dune Mafia - town victory

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The fact that Poyser was hard scum reading her up until a couple hours ago, and also scum reading me all along complicates this a bit from both angles.
Hmm, fair. To a point, I still think it's a hard sell. Like he would be prospering her up for a lynch and then backtracking quite strongly, it's weird.
 
I mean even now nobody is proposing him lol.
Yeah because he's not relevant. Let me ask you - what's your end goal with this? Do you want a claim from him? Because we can do that, I can switch my vote and we can press him to claim. But then that would be 6 claims, out of 18 (Ultra, Sparkles, Aurelian, you, Flower and Gad). So I'm not too eager to keep aggressively pursuing other avenues. Put tell you what, it's your day man. What do you want to do?
 
Yeah because he's not relevant. Let me ask you - what's your end goal with this? Do you want a claim from him? Because we can do that, I can switch my vote and we can press him to claim. But then that would be 6 claims, out of 18 (Ultra, Sparkles, Aurelian, you, Flower and Gad). So I'm not too eager to keep aggressively pursuing other avenues. Put tell you what, it's your day man. What do you want to do?
In writing this I realise I haven't even counted myself. So that would be 7. It's already 6.
 
Would probably be the only other explanation.

Thing is I don't really put too much constraints on Poyser's scum range. Like if he is scum I would expect him to try something a bit more bold than the milquetoast strategy he tried last time. It wouldn't be my first assumption he would treat her like this as mates but I don't think it's totally inconceivable. Really depends on what he's working with.
 
Thing is I don't really put too much constraints on Poyser's scum range. Like if he is scum I would expect him to try something a bit more bold than the milquetoast strategy he tried last time. It wouldn't be my first assumption he would treat her like this as mates but I don't think it's totally inconceivable. Really depends on what he's working with.
Well I think he has expectations on him which restrict him too though. My point is that if he's scum and she's town, that's reason enough to not lynch her. In the worlds where she is scum, there aren't many that don't have him scum too. Which is what I'm saying to you - you don't come across as reading him scum but for me, you haven't adequately solved through how he has to read Sparkle incorrectly while being town. Him being Indie is probably the strongest argument you can make from this, as he would at least have incentive to not ruffle her feathers. So that's the issue I have with lynching Sparkle.
 
I already have. Poyser town. Ultra leaning scum, but I'm not confident enough to pull the trigger right now halfway through Day 1. I want to give him more time to see where he goes from here. I'm not focusing on it because most of it isn't that interesting - if they're both town, it's a distraction, and if one is scum they're happy to farm it so it's not important.

I don't know why you're acting like I haven't already said this. Think I've been pretty transparent with my progressions on it.
weak. ultra was above half majority. just needed few more literal whos the join the wagon and he's capped. think u dont rly care if he goes / id expect u to be more vocal about it to someone like.. flower.. who usually listens to you
 
Well I think he has expectations on him which restrict him too though. My point is that if he's scum and she's town, that's reason enough to not lynch her. In the worlds where she is scum, there aren't many that don't have him scum too. Which is what I'm saying to you - you don't come across as reading him scum but for me, you haven't adequately solved through how he has to read Sparkle incorrectly while being town. Him being Indie is probably the strongest argument you can make from this, as he would at least have incentive to not ruffle her feathers. So that's the issue I have with lynching Sparkle.

In this scenario does Poyser ever flip before Sparkles?
 
Yeah because he's not relevant. Let me ask you - what's your end goal with this? Do you want a claim from him? Because we can do that, I can switch my vote and we can press him to claim.
I dont want anything from him right now I think he can be town because hes still pushing me after I stopped talking about him altogether.
But then that would be 6 claims, out of 18 (Ultra, Sparkles, Aurelian, you, Flower and Gad). So I'm not too eager to keep aggressively pursuing other avenues. Put tell you what, it's your day man. What do you want to do?
Nah Ill let you guys do your thing.
 
Also feel like you swapped my premise around there Ultra - your response is more geared to scum Poyser opening the playbook, but my question was around how you reconcile Poyser town (or townier) than Sparkles wherein Poyser is straight up, brashly, misreading her.
 
weak. ultra was above half majority. just needed few more literal whos the join the wagon and he's capped. think u dont rly care if he goes / id expect u to be more vocal about it to someone like.. flower.. who usually listens to you
When? I can't be here 24/7. If he were speed hammered I think that would be telling by itself.
 
Leaning scum is a bit more extreme than where I'm actually at to be honest. He's just "off".
ya well thats a bit better, ultra's tone is off, dont think any1 denies that, but his content has been fine, do u disagree?

like his reasons, pushes, etc.. all sort of check out positionally from his PoV

id speculated maybe there was some hellbussing going on between ultra and his teammates as the best explaination for how he's having good content with bad tone but idk how much i believe that to be the case here
 
Also feel like you swapped my premise around there Ultra - your response is more geared to scum Poyser opening the playbook, but my question was around how you reconcile Poyser town (or townier) than Sparkles wherein Poyser is straight up, brashly, misreading her.

I get your point but I don't really put as much stock into it as you do. I mean his capacity to be aggressively wrong is a large part of why I'm not scum reading him, so the premise that he is never wrong about sparkles as town, while sound, is not something I care about over my own considerations.

I mean sparkles has absolutely nothing going for her, complete ass
 
ya well thats a bit better, ultra's tone is off, dont think any1 denies that, but his content has been fine, do u disagree?

like his reasons, pushes, etc.. all sort of check out positionally from his PoV

id speculated maybe there was some hellbussing going on between ultra and his teammates as the best explaination for how he's having good content with bad tone but idk how much i believe that to be the case here
Actually I don't agree, I think there is some departure from him in terms of his thought process. Hence why I would rather see a larger body of work.

To fill in further from your above post, too, if I were to have come back and saw Ultra lynched, I wouldn't have been strongly against it or devestated. I've toyed with the idea myself today of voting him. It wouldn't be my preference though, because I like to give him some leg room to get into the game, it's not impossible that he's just having a poor start.
 
But ive come around, i think Flower, Poyser and Ultra are all town cannibalizing each other here.
btw do u think all 3 are teamed where flower/poyser are distancing from ultra or what?

i kinda considered it in a world where aurelian is town and ultra is wolf i could see the team using ultra's scum flip here to toss me and fang after
 
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