you said something in the lines of "since prof visited me N1, I should be culted"
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But then my question is, by whose account was this visit alleged/ claimed?
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But then my question is, by whose account was this visit alleged/ claimed?
I don't know who or why you've been cursed with this PR, but I'm getting a headeache trying to reaad this shit.
@Cataclysm can you please translate, my head hurts
@Cataclysm can you please translate, my head hurts
Pqwerty
Loud and Wrong
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Vote lynch Lethal.
If we take Ratchet's word at face value, then Prof should be a secondary option for the lynch.
Ekko townread Ichigo. He also says if Lethal's Town, the chance of Ichigo being scum increases. I think it's safe to say Ichigo was cleared for visiting Poyser N1 (I think he's CL, not scum), and that lynching Lethal would be a more preferable option.Ekko's Legacy
first i'll preface by saying that poyser's play at the start of day 1 before he got any pressure on him was clearly intended to instigate and do as much damage as he can by enabling town on town violence. he thought he could get away with playing exclusively anti-town since it's probably an unranked game and players will generally be more laxed. the point im trying to make here is the people who poyser pushed before he got pressure on him are 99% going to be town, and i'll reflect this in my reads.
i'd also note that i can hardly sense presence of any of poyser's teammates in the first 200 or so posts of the game, which is why poyser stood out so much as an instigator surrounded by townies in the early game. things start to muddy up a bit after poyser receives a bit of pressure and his teammates start showing up in thread.
this solve focuses more on who is or isnt aligned with posyer, i'll leave the indie hunting to you guys. level 1 says it'd be among luka/ichigo as they r the most likely ones to cult guillo. aside from them, i am particularly wary of it being RDK fake claiming miller as the cult leader + culting guillo to throw a wifom curveball on us + he indirectly defended guillo (the culted player) in day 2 by the push on ultra. we could also look at gram, prof, or chuck who i think are letting forth alot less than what they can do, yet (on a surface level) don't feel very aligned with poyser. again, pretty much a shot in the dark and could be anyone so good luck with it.
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flower - she thought that she caught posyser on a slip in his first post, which she then rescinded in a way i find hard to fake. their interactions in the early game seems unaligned to me as poyser is continuously trying to pocket her, like when he told her that X seems to be rattling her. i think poyser was using her as a way to get an angle on X which is something he does as scum. i.e town read a player he knows is not mafia (in this case, flower), then use it to try and push another player (in this case, X).
X - unaligned with poyser following the concept above ^. I also think him taking an issue with charlie's interjection on his (x's) flower direction is warranted and a natural thought process to pursue by X after going for flower.
sparkle - the manner of their cult immunity claim is townie. they are also pretty much spewed town by poyser via their interactions and the obligatory read from poyser that i don't imagine he'll wanna burn in an unranked game.
mango - the early sheeping of poyser reads strongly unaligned. when mango started pushing sparkle, poyser took the back seat and watched this town on town violence. poyser couldnt apply the same concept he did with X/flower because at the time he was also questioning sparkle's redirect claim, so he left mango to it. if poyser tries to push either of mango or sparkle off the back of town reading the other he'll look much worst than pushing X off the back of town reading flower.
ratchet - pretty confident ratchet is town/non mafia from play around poyser and chat with PQ etc.. whatever, shud be self evident. just take my word for it. trust. specially you @Dr_Professor83 . tagging you specifically because you are the most likely one to troll this legacy read down the line. ratchet's never gonna be aligned with poyser here, and might likely just die tonight. you don't need PQ to flip scum for ratchet to be town. that's weak.
pqwerty - I've interrogated PQ a bit in our chat and he passed the vibe check. i'd say the weirdest thing about him is the needless paranoia of ratchet given the whole context of their chat and ratchet's proactiveness. I am pretty confident he is town/non mafia so just take my legacy for what it's worth. i'm hoping he'd be able to find the time to play in thread. i don't know his full range as scum btw so that's something to consider for later if it comes time to reassess reads.
cataclysm - i would say he seems mostly lost in the sauce, althought i am surprised not many people commented on him using watcher on POYSER of all people... where have i seen this before? ah yes another staff... ANYWAYS... maybe we got lucky and outed a scum protector on poyser, or we outed all good town roles lmao. id say if the others on poyser start flipping townies then this guy is likely town as mafia rolewatcher wud 1. never watch poyser, and 2. mafia wud keep that info to themselves if they learned of all those town power roles. I don't think poyser's redacted "Doom" ability is an alert passive judging from it's name so im much more inclined to say cataclysm is a townie lost in the sauce.
weaker town/first to reassess down the line if a collosal fuckup happens in main PoE
ichigo - ichigo's first post in the game saying "yeah" seems out of nowhere, I wonder if a slip of some sort and is meant for the role PM. he later on claims to have something interesting, part of me want to say he's cult leader, or some sort of a major role. the n1 conversion on guillo fits him if we go too level 1 about it. i dont think he's aligned with poyser though. poyser does not open up pushing his mates in a manner that makes them look bad from what i've seen. problem is he obviously let go of that push fairly quickly so it leaves plenty of room for reassessment later on down the line.
chuck - the early X vs Chuck regarding flower's meta might have a scum there, which wud be charlie in that case but i think poyser went quiet when this all was happening so i can see it all being town on town violence in the early game with poyser being the only scum there. i think charlie's play right now can be perfectly summed up to "a townie finding himself in the wrong place at the wrong time". I can see some attempts at solving which are generally lacking in his scum game, but not too much that makes him stand in the spotlight or make him an obvious town. if i have to hedge, i'd say lean unaligned with poyser.
ultra - ultra is an interesting case for me to place. i think he seems fairly unaligned with poyser on a general level but his worldview feels kind of narrow and has some questionable focuses - like the attempt to quickly end day 1 (and even day 2 before allowing guillo to properly elaborate his ability with the host). i think if he's town he might struggle with finding the remaining scum if they are all hidden in the "literal who" pile. id say you can start getting worried if he starts pushing players that he should be able to reasonably read well, and they seem townie enough, yet he is not seeing it.
RDK - i understand he was trolling it up in day 2, but he sort of had two posts (post #200 and #216) where he killed poyser's early cooking/momentum on X which felt unaligned to me. while i can see him/poyser playing good cop bad cop re: X, i think it it feels unnecessary at that stage when they are unchallenged. could easily see him being the cult leader here too, which would make guillo's recruit intended to throw a wild wifom curveball on us. him being indie could explain the trolling to survive longer as well. i am fine with RDK being flipped down the line due to his trolling and indirect defense of guillo (the culted player) in day 2 by pushing ultra.
null/next in line for scums/going to sleep now, will give a more detailed read on them tomorrow/could relocate their placement
prof
gad
melkor
yoho
watson
need more pressure/claim zone/can have scum in them
goddess - will catchup and give rationale tomorrow. might relocate their placement.
sigis/pot goblin - will catchup and give rationale tomorrow. might relocate their placement.
alexis - i don't really think alexis is THAT outed as i thought in day 1, i think him trying to invent an emoji code for PQ to talk through is a townie thing for him to do. I think it's possible he is vig and shot poyser or something? would definitely like a claim from him first and foremost. he's liable to being a much more extreme case of "a townie finding himself in the wrong place at the wrong time" than charlie is and i won't blame anyone for capping him.
gram - i think gram has been pretty lack luster this game. his contributions are pretty safe and mostly boil down to questions that i can't see the end results of. I don't really fully get the scope of what he's pushing down. i'm near calling busy work. put him in the spotlight and make him lead something. make him show his teeth and force him to push a scum read of his like his life depends on it, cuz it might as well do. i understand this is unranked etc.. but he's kind of barely passing the bear minimum which is concerning. i am not really reading much into his interaction with poyser cuz that all came later when poyser was already in anti-spew. gram gains 0 cred for it. make him find his own scum, or at the very least demonstrate that he's fully onboard with assisting a wagon from its foundation, that later on ends up flipping scum.
luka - i think luka's entrance was definitely very strong against poyser. i almost want to say unaligned. my only issues with it is poyser's noticeable lack of attention toward luka. this is obviously the point where poyser started getting pressured so reading his posts is less fruitful now. judging luka by his own merit, his play is unfortunately mostly dry outside of poyser's direction (which is credible sure, but not enough). i'd say get his updated worldview post poyser's flip and assess if a claim is needed etc..
magic/lethal - i think this slot practically offered nothing to the game and can be forced to claim then tossed off depending on what comes of it. i can also see some equity between this slot and poyser/luka in that poyser's early "distancing denied" post toward ichigo felt a bit on the nose but wud make alot of sense if magic is scum, and luka came forward later to say ichigo's mistake (missing magic's name in playerlist) is a genuine mistake regardless of ichigo's alignment, unless he is exactly w/w with magic and tried to fake it which luka calls "baffonery". I think if this slot is town, the chance of ichigo being scum increases.
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My cult guesses for posterity
gut says its one of these but i am by no means confident on it: RDK/luka/ichigo/gram/prof/chuck
get their claims etc to narrow it down then move from there i guess. good luck with that.
might need to start hunting for the cult leader after we yeet 1 more mafia. any claimed roleblocker/jailkeeper shud be trying to stop cult.
We are not lynching Lethal today, this is a matter of priority.
Our highest priority is to lynch Cult, prefereably CL.
I'll remind you but lynching anything other than cult today is going to spell the end for Town, as Cult will get Majority and win by default. Especially also with them presumably having a kill too, if the Gram kill is anything to go by.
Come with me for a Prof lynch, and Town will reign supreme. Do not lose your way
No, and if you don't stop trying to deflect the Prof lynch, I will have to assume that you are the last Cultist.
You have 2 choices:
1) Vote with me and win with Town
2) keep your vote and you will be presumed a traitor and treated accordingly.
Dr_Professor83
Greatest Loser
A quick hammer doesn’t win cult the game since mafia can still shoot them at night. (And has to on a mislynch)
They can’t just out for a quick hammer today
Also there’s no way I’m just randomly claiming roleblocker D2 on a whim
Dr_Professor83
Greatest Loser
I considered the possibility that Flower’s guilty scenario happened by her failing a conversion on OLU’s slot due to Charles disabling her action to make that fail (since there was no cult that night) but upon further reflection that seems like an impossible target for her to try to convert lol
Dr_Professor83
Greatest Loser
Also looking at Sparkles role:
[Active - Soul Siphon] You may target a player to siphon their very soul, if they happen to be one of your targets you will kill them,exception may apply. Cannot be used in Final 5.
There’s a non zero chance that this ability could have been used on the cult leader and not have worked
[Active - Soul Siphon] You may target a player to siphon their very soul, if they happen to be one of your targets you will kill them,exception may apply. Cannot be used in Final 5.
There’s a non zero chance that this ability could have been used on the cult leader and not have worked
Dr_Professor83
Greatest Loser
@MangoSenpai tunneling me is going to waste this day if we still have a chance of winning after.
I really would appreciate you trying to work with me and run the parallel solve like I asked lol.
This is a very bad day for me timing wise but it’s going to be most beneficial to you that you at least solve for a secondary world
I really would appreciate you trying to work with me and run the parallel solve like I asked lol.
This is a very bad day for me timing wise but it’s going to be most beneficial to you that you at least solve for a secondary world
Well, just to keep it short and sweet, he may very well have visited you and not lied about that - I wouldn't know. But the only account of this happening is by his own word, we don't even know if he really is a RB or not- at least I can't recall anyone verifying his claim.btw
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Regardless, a good lie has some truth to it; he may have visited you - and he may indeed have RBd you. But it it doesn't neccesarily mean he couldn't have culted someone else the same night.
Of course, I have no proof of this - but neither do you have proof of the countrary either.
You can only really ever speculate about who went where and what they did - so I'm not going to get too hung up on the details around this. There are a multitude of plausible explanations for how these things connects.
I am well aware that lynching outside of cult today will pretty much spell the end for Town's chances to win, but that is just how strong my resolve and confident I am with my solve. To me it all seems so very very clear, and this is Town's last chance to bring it home
Dr_Professor83
Greatest Loser
In this world Lethal still has the possibility of being cult leader. But I still think that’s less likely than them being scum due to the roleblocker/jailor situation with Lemon
Kurosaki Ichigo
Soul reaper
I am more tempted to follow Luka and vote Lemon here.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Soul reaper
Isn't that RB just a speculation?
Dr_Professor83
Greatest Loser
Lemon saying they’re gonna actually try to play at first and then shifting gears and doing nothing is exactly what they did as scum in Weebs that Fuji and I hosted