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G1 folks - Harley will have quite the speed advantage.
Death Battle - They're roughly equal when taking in liberties.
>Once again, certain folks at G1 love that loose scaling for DC. Good to see the majority there though didn't have comic tunnel vision for this one.
Now then, on to Scarlet Witch vs Zatanna, where I'm about to do a total 180, and root for the DC character, since I prefer Zatanna over Scarlet Witch.
Death Battle - They're roughly equal when taking in liberties.
>Once again, certain folks at G1 love that loose scaling for DC. Good to see the majority there though didn't have comic tunnel vision for this one.
Now then, on to Scarlet Witch vs Zatanna, where I'm about to do a total 180, and root for the DC character, since I prefer Zatanna over Scarlet Witch.
You gonna have to wait till I get home
Warlordgab
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It's good to see they got it right
Still, this may sound a little annoying, but it should've been Simon's W
Oh don't you worry. Our boy will more than likely be the first to dethrone DC heralds winstreak against non-marvel for sure.
Maybe but for now
Well, someone on RoosterTeeth's comments was extra salty, that's for sure. Take a looksie at what they had to say:
Once again, the fight goes not to who can do what, but what the writers of this decide what they can and cannot use and is entirely personal preference. You want to use the league items? That's fine, but if you're using league items, then use league logic too. Hell, use arcane logic. Jinx is a glass cannon. Even a tank build for jinx dies fast. If you are a melee champ and can get in range of jinx, she dies. This holds true in arcane where she was taken out by...3 punchs.
Also, you use vi's gloves weight as a feat, but they don't actually weigh that to lift. The materials weighed that, but the magic makes them easy to use and lift without them. Without the magic, jinx isn't lifting them. And yet you ignored the fact that Jinx was able to literally decapitate Lobo with her bare hands, when he's been strong enough to take a punch to the face from superman. But sure, jinx is stronger XD
Likewise, jinx is 'resistant' to pollution, she is not in fact immune to poisons and toxins. Teemo, cassiopea, twitch, and singed are all proof of that. If you're saying that cleanse protects her, it only cleanses of the active debuffs. Use quicksilver while still in singe's gas and you're just going to get poisoned again immediately.
On the other side of things, since you're giving jinx access to items that the game gives her access to that the lore never actually would, why aren't you giving jinx access to the items she actually has used? Where were her lantern rings? Where was her powers as champion of order and chaos? You let jinx use an item that cannonically and in game doesn't actually exist (literally was created purely for a commercial), but you don't give harley access to her toys?
Or how about the fact that killing harley, cannonically, doesn't kill harley? She just becomes a ghost that can possess women until she gets a new body of her own back.
Very disappointed at how poorly researched this actually was to be honest with you.
Take a looksie at what they had to say:Once again, the fight goes not to who can do what, but what the writers of this decide what they can and cannot use and is entirely personal preference. You want to use the league items? That's fine, but if you're using league items, then use league logic too. Hell, use arcane logic. Jinx is a glass cannon. Even a tank build for jinx dies fast. If you are a melee champ and can get in range of jinx, she dies. This holds true in arcane where she was taken out by...3 punchs.
Also, you use vi's gloves weight as a feat, but they don't actually weigh that to lift. The materials weighed that, but the magic makes them easy to use and lift without them. Without the magic, jinx isn't lifting them. And yet you ignored the fact that Jinx was able to literally decapitate Lobo with her bare hands, when he's been strong enough to take a punch to the face from superman. But sure, jinx is stronger XD
Likewise, jinx is 'resistant' to pollution, she is not in fact immune to poisons and toxins. Teemo, cassiopea, twitch, and singed are all proof of that. If you're saying that cleanse protects her, it only cleanses of the active debuffs. Use quicksilver while still in singe's gas and you're just going to get poisoned again immediately.
On the other side of things, since you're giving jinx access to items that the game gives her access to that the lore never actually would, why aren't you giving jinx access to the items she actually has used? Where were her lantern rings? Where was her powers as champion of order and chaos? You let jinx use an item that cannonically and in game doesn't actually exist (literally was created purely for a commercial), but you don't give harley access to her toys?
Or how about the fact that killing harley, cannonically, doesn't kill harley? She just becomes a ghost that can possess women until she gets a new body of her own back.
Very disappointed at how poorly researched this actually was to be honest with you.
Mmmm saltWell, someone on RoosterTeeth's comments was extra salty, that's for sure.
Once again, the fight goes not to who can do what, but what the writers of this decide what they can and cannot use and is entirely personal preference. You want to use the league items? That's fine, but if you're using league items, then use league logic too. Hell, use arcane logic. Jinx is a glass cannon. Even a tank build for jinx dies fast. If you are a melee champ and can get in range of jinx, she dies. This holds true in arcane where she was taken out by...3 punchs.
Also, you use vi's gloves weight as a feat, but they don't actually weigh that to lift. The materials weighed that, but the magic makes them easy to use and lift without them. Without the magic, jinx isn't lifting them. And yet you ignored the fact that Jinx was able to literally decapitate Lobo with her bare hands, when he's been strong enough to take a punch to the face from superman. But sure, jinx is stronger XD
Likewise, jinx is 'resistant' to pollution, she is not in fact immune to poisons and toxins. Teemo, cassiopea, twitch, and singed are all proof of that. If you're saying that cleanse protects her, it only cleanses of the active debuffs. Use quicksilver while still in singe's gas and you're just going to get poisoned again immediately.
On the other side of things, since you're giving jinx access to items that the game gives her access to that the lore never actually would, why aren't you giving jinx access to the items she actually has used? Where were her lantern rings? Where was her powers as champion of order and chaos? You let jinx use an item that cannonically and in game doesn't actually exist (literally was created purely for a commercial), but you don't give harley access to her toys?
Or how about the fact that killing harley, cannonically, doesn't kill harley? She just becomes a ghost that can possess women until she gets a new body of her own back.
Very disappointed at how poorly researched this actually was to be honest with you.
OrlandoSky
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Pretty sure unrestricted, Wanda should have this in the bag. I'm not super familiar with Zatanna's feats so I couldn've overlooked some more obscure stuff and Wanda's revolving door of retcons involving her origin and powerset is another can of worms on its own. But from what I am aware of is that Zatanna is more of a glass cannon and relies more on intellectual combat and prep time, Wanda is much more consistently a heavy hitter.
I think the best hype Zatanna has (and its arguable hyperbole) she mentions fully bloodlusted she could tear a universe a part, even if taken at face value it still comes up short to someone who can affect realities on a multiversal scale and take on abstract beings like Phoenix and Chaos with minor help (the latter case not so minor but still impressive) Wanda I think wins regardless because aside from raw feats and experience in reality warping and Power Nullification, Zatanna does have the baggage of using backwards incantations to enact spells (I know she doesn't need to and it's more of a force of habit but DB does utilize a character's CIS as a form of weakness in combat so that will be an additional problem for her)
There was some shit with the Upside down Man IIRC
IIRC In order to defeat the Upside-Down Man, Zatanna bonded to him in order to try and kill him. Mind you they were doing this within his own realm at the time. Upside-Down Man tries to destroy Zatannas essence and take over her body but she manages to keep him imprisoned within her own body and then uses the fact that magic has a cost in order to destroy his physical form by casting a spell that would return them to the regular universe at the cost of his life. Then Wonder Woman channelling the power of Hecate, binds him and traps him within his own Dimension. The Upside-Down Man managed to kill both Constantine and Dr Fate before they could pull this off though. and the Upside-Down Man is state to be a fragment of the Great Evil Beast as show in Justice League Incarnate.
Hope yall ain't talking about Simon vs Kyle, because oh boy, if they aren't counting LE for Kyle they really can't count STTGL/Galaxy Cluster sized Kamina (even confirmed to be the spirit of Kamina by the director, meaning its outside interference DB can't allow by their rules), which just means White Lantern Kyle Vs TTGL, which is a W for Kyle, or STTGL vs LE Kyle, which is still a W for Kyle.Oh don't you worry. Our boy will more than likely be the first to dethrone DC heralds winstreak against non-marvel for sure.
Simon only wins if you count his sole movie, where he gave up that power immediately afterwards and ignore all of Kyle's most powerful 2 year run
I don't see how Kyle wins if it's just TTGL both characters are in the Multiverse+ of powers and Simon seems to resist Kyle Haxes while at it
Plus the show had him keep his powers so I don't see why they won't give it too him
Kyle has the massive speed advantage, and DC retcons his arc boost (and speed) to even more powerful with White Lantern (thanks Convergence) and LE power in comparison to what we used to have them at.
Even with Simon optimally keeping the enegry of STTGL (and not expending it vs the Anti Sprials as highly suggested by the end and his Bride's still death), not the full range outside of his mech. He could probably still use his drill necklace to harm Kyle, but that requires hitting Kyle, who is far faster and has greater range both inside and outside of STTGL
In what way exactly
Plus Kyle has to deal with the probability missiles the TTGL can bring in
With Convergence, they Retconned Post Crisis DC entirely.
White Lantern Kyle now scales to Pre Crisis and Reborn Green Lanterns (Including Pre Crisis Hal, and the HJ and the GLC Rebirth era)
