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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

Welsh_Dragoon said:
Another was Mondaiji, but this was more of : the series being axed before reaching conclusion. Otherwise, Mondaiji was so much focused on its world building that at times one has to wonder if the story was more about little garden as a whole and not problematic trio. The world building is soo good that I have yet to come across same level of world building in any setting that has remained consistent as well. Also, author was Nasu fan so the slight in between cameo and teaser were fun as well.
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It got axed? Was this recent? Because I thought this was a still ongoing series
 
Darth Zion said:
To be fair though, the starting volumes were genuinely great.

DxD does have a great world in theory- every religion being true with its own gods, the dimensional gap, the Great War, the Sacred Gears, the Dragons, the Fallen, the Evil Pieces. It had so much potential.

Even the cast was great, the romance with Rias, Asia, and Akeno was excellent and had actual depth. Plus, villains like Riser, Kokabiel, even Hades and Rizevam were pretty decent.

By the later volumes, the Devils are practically the strongest faction and the world revolves around them, Issei is catching harem members like a checklist of tropes with the Chosen Heavenly Breasts, the other pantheons are barely explored, and ExE ruined perfectly good world-building by having a rando one-shot Great Red.

Wasted potential, I tell you.
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The shift in focus away from character development hurts the later volumes pretty bad, yeah.

ExE is actually something I'm looking forward to because the DxD world has pretty much solved all it's major problems. Even the Hades thing was more "hey assholes if you're gonna turn the world upside down prove you got the chops to see it through". They need an outside antagonist.

Offscreening GR was kinda silly though.
 
CrossTheHorizon said:
ExE is actually something I'm looking forward to because the DxD world has pretty much solved all it's major problems.
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That's the thing though- they shouldn't have solved so quickly. The man created a world with every religion and exhausted the entire plot while focusing only on Abharamic faith. There are dozens of pantheons and myths that he could've explored before moving on...
 
Darth Zion said:
That's the thing though- they shouldn't have solved so quickly. The man created a world with every religion and exhausted the entire plot while focusing only on Abharamic faith. There are dozens of pantheons and myths that he could've explored before moving on...
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Nah, I liked the way Ishibumi handled it. The plot wasn't tied to Issei and the Gremory group specifically, the leaders of the world were actively trying to keep the world from exploding and moving towards peace before Issei was a thing. He only experiences it from the Devil side until he's a big enough player to start getting involved in the rest of the world.

The rest of the pantheons should be explored but I don't want the plot to freeze in place while Issei makes the rounds. I'd rather they do so during the ExE war where they'll all more or less be on the same side for once.
 
By the way, I am very surprised that in some DxD fanfics, the Trio's actions of peeping are called a real sexual assault. In the spirit of, oh how bad, aaaah, they are juvenile delinquents.

Like, seriously? And the fact that later, even in the anime, the whole club beats them with training bokken (which is quite a heavy thing) to the point that they end up in the medical center is greatly ignored.
 
Nah they deserved the beating. :skully

If anime logic means you don't get suspended for peeping like that, it's only right it's balanced by the girls getting to take care of that shit themselves :maybe

Also I forgot this wasn't the convo so maybe we should move on :mjlol
 
10. Jack Atlas -
Jack Atlas' win rate is higher than any other rival character in the first six seasons, including Seto Kaiba's.Using an Archfiend deck, Jack overwhelms his opponents with raw destructive power. He defeats Dark Signer Carly and Kalin Kessler, he duels Yusei to an inconclusive finish multiple times, and he's even the one to defeat Aporia. Jack rarely ever loses fairly, and the only true knock against him is that he's never able to defeat Yusei.
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9. Yubel - If Jaden hadn't fused them both together, GX's best duelist was moments away from losing this duel and being killed. Prior to Season 3's finale, Yubel's first duel is against Jaden and his near-equal, Jesse Anderson, at once, with the battle ending in a draw. As the season goes on, they defeat two more of the series' top duelists, Adrian Gecko and Zane Truesdale. Yubel accomplishes these feats with a variety of decks, including Exodia, Advanced Crystal Beasts, and Sacred Beasts.
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8. Z-Arc - Using a Supreme King deck, the duelists Z-Arc defeats over the course of his single duel include Declan Akaba, Leo Akaba, Sora Perse, Shay Obsidian, and AU versions of Kite Tenjo, Aster Phoenix, Crow Hogan, and Jack Atlas. His rampage is only stopped by Riley Akaba, who's empowered by the only duelist to ever beat Z-Arc in the past, Ray Akaba. As talented as Yuya himself is, there is zero possibility of him replicating what Z-Arc did here.
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7. Shark - Using his Xyz Water deck, Nash defeats the dueling champion of Asia, Quattro, the second-strongest Barian Emperor, Vector, and one of the most over-powered villains in the franchise, Don Thousand. The only duelists he falls short next to are his fellow protagonists, with Yuma in particular defeating him multiple times, including in their final duel.
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6. Importantly, this is a distinction Yuma earns even without taking into account his ability to draw and create brand-new cards on the fly. With his Xyz deck, Yuma becomes nearly unstoppable by the end of Zexal, and the amount of powerful monsters he's able to combo into in a turn is virtually unrivaled in the franchise. He defeats his mentor and partner Astral, his archenemy Don Thousand, his rival Nash, and an abundance of other fierce opponents.
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5. Kite - While Yuma and Shark spend Zexal continuously powering up, Kite is a monster from the beginning. Using his Photon deck, Kite not only defeats Yuma, but Shark, Quattro and Trey, and Mizar of the Barian Emperors. Throughout the entire series, he only loses a single time, against Vetrix.
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4. Jaden - Jaden holds the distinction of having the most wins of any character in all of Yu-Gi-Oh!. He's beaten Darkness, who defeated nearly every other duelist on Earth, a Light of Destruction-empowered Sartorius, and Aster Phoenix & Jesse Anderson, who Maximillion Pegasus rates as his fourth and fifth favorite duelists behind Yugi, Kaiba, and Joey Wheeler.
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3. Atem - Even the third-best duelist in the original series, Kaiba, is never able to defeat Yugi and Atem fairly. Taking point most of the time, Atem repeatedly defeats Kaiba, as well as a Millennium Eye-empowered Pegasus, Yami Bakura, Yami Marik, Noah Kaiba, and Dartz. He does lose a number of times though, and while most of these losses are unfair, Rafael's victory over him is completely clean. Atem, with his Dark Magicians and Egyptian God Cards, also winds up being surpassed by Yugi, with his Silent Magicians and Gadgets. Yugi defeats Atem in their Ceremonial Duel and, by Dark Side of Dimensions, he's able to comfortably stand on his own as the King of Games.
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2. Yusei - A master of both normal dueling and Turbo Dueling, Yusei defeats his rival Jack multiple times, as well as his and Jack's fellow former Enforcer, Kalin, and big bads Z-one and Rex Godwin. While Yusei looks unstoppable on paper, this isn't actually true. He nearly loses his first duel against Kalin, and would have if he hadn't crashed his Duel Runner, and Antinomy lets Yusei win their first duel.
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1. Yusaku - Also known as Playmaker, Yusaku Fujiki is the main protagonist of Yu-Gi-Oh! VRAINS, and the strongest duelist in all of Yu-Gi-Oh!. Like Yusei, Yusaku is a genius who goes undefeated throughout his series. Unlike Yusei, none of Yusaku's victories or draws are at all questionable, with all of them being fairly earned.

Yusaku uses a Cyberse deck, and can easily use it to create unstoppable boards through the power of Link Summoning. Throughout VRAINS, nearly every single major character falls to Yusaku. This includes his rival Revolver, world-famous duelists Blue Angel and The Gore, and big bads Bohman and Ai. There are powerful duelists in Yusaku's era that he never beats, like Soulburner, Roboppi, and Lightning, but that's simply because he never faces off against them.
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@Astaro
What do you think, Accurate list?
 
Masterblack06 said:











@Astaro
What do you think, Accurate list?
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Yusei and Yusaku have the best win to lose ratio, where both have never lost an on-screen duel. Yusaku just straight up never outright lost, while Yusei lost to Jack in the past and nearly lost to Kiryu in their first match but his Duel Runner crashing halted the duel. Every other game he’s won and IMO, he’s the most tactical Yugioh protagonist of the lot

And while Yusaku is undoubtedly skilled enough to earn most of his wins, he relies on Storm Access quite a bit, which is basically Zexal’s Shining Draw level of bullshit

Imagine just randomly getting a new Cyberse Link monster added to your Extra Deck during a duel that just so happens to have the exact effect needed to both get you out of a bind and turn the entire duel around

:hestonpls

Judai has the most collective wins than any other protagonist but has lost a fair amount so you can alternate between him and Yugi / Atem

Shark and especially Kaito earn their spots with Kaito being the one Kaiba clone that has the honor of being the one who’s the insurmountable rival to the main character. Even by the end of Zexal, Yuma has yet to ever actually beat Kaito, only get a draw and loss every other time

Replace Z-Arc with Kaiba. Yubel and Jack deserve their spots
 
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@Astaro
What do you think, Accurate list?
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Personally they seem to be putting too much stock in the NUMBER of wins and loses a duellist has and not the quality of who they actually won or lost to. For example, sure the Vrains guy never lost but I'd question who he beat that was all that impressive?

Also certain statements like "Jack even beat Aporia" are deceptive at best. Seeing as it was 3v1 and he literally could have done NOTHING without Rua getting Life Stream Dragon. They were all boned without that happening.

Kaito is NOT above Yuma and Shark come EoS, that's just silly. Hell he was BARELY managing to still beat Yuma by the end of ZEXAL I, let alone an EOS Yuma whom should be in the top 5 if not 3 MINIMUM.

Frankly the main protagonists are hard to put over each other so I'm not gonna bitch about their ranking too much.
 
Adamant soul said:
Personally they seem to be putting too much stock in the NUMBER of wins and loses a duellist has and not the quality of who they actually won or lost to. For example, sure the Vrains guy never lost but I'd question who he beat that was all that impressive?

Also certain statements like "Jack even beat Aporia" are deceptive at best. Seeing as it was 3v1 and he literally could have done NOTHING without Rua getting Life Stream Dragon. They were all boned without that happening.

Kaito is NOT above Yuma and Shark come EoS, that's just silly. Hell he was BARELY managing to still beat Yuma by the end of ZEXAL I, let alone an EOS Yuma whom should be in the top 5 if not 3 MINIMUM.

Frankly the main protagonists are hard to put over each other so I'm not gonna bitch about their ranking too much.
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You’re not giving Kaito enough credit. Zexal II shows he’s still superior to Yuma by handling Mizael who Yuma didn’t even last one turn against.

Yeah it was before Zexal Form 2 and 3 but eh, Kaito getting his own monster upgrades like Prime Photon Dragon and beating out Mizael at the end are good enough feats to argue he’s still peers to Yuma or Shark
 
Astaro said:
You’re not giving Kaito enough credit. Zexal II shows he’s still superior to Yuma by handling Mizael who Yuma didn’t even last one turn against.

Yeah it was before Zexal Form 2 and 3 but eh, Kaito getting his own monster upgrades like Prime Photon Dragon and beating out Mizael at the end are good enough feats to argue he’s still peers to Yuma or Shark
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Nah I don't think you're giving Yuma enough credit.

Yuma by EoS fended off assaults from a monster that was basically a fusion of all the barian cards with ALL their effects at once, then managed to survive a turn against basically ALL the versions of Hope at once without using ANY Number cards or ZEXAL. He was using basic Gagaga shit until he got Future Hope out.

There's a MUCH bigger difference between Zexal I and Zexal II Yuma and Shark than there is with Kaito (where Prime Galaxy Eyes is pretty much it), both in terms of ability and what they've added to their decks. I don't see Kaito taking either by EoS, at least not more often than not.

Also just a reminder but Ryo (Zane) ALSO never lost to Judai so Kaito is NOT the only one. :maybe
 
Adamant soul said:
Nah I don't think you're giving Yuma enough credit.

Yuma by EoS fended off assaults from a monster that was basically a fusion of all the barian cards with ALL their effects at once, then managed to survive a turn against basically ALL the versions of Hope at once without using ANY Number cards or ZEXAL. He was using basic Gagaga shit until he got Future Hope out.

There's a MUCH bigger difference between Zexal I and Zexal II Yuma and Shark than there is with Kaito (where Prime Galaxy Eyes is pretty much it), both in terms of ability and what they've added to their decks. I don't see Kaito taking either by EoS, at least not more often than not.

Also just a reminder but Ryo (Zane) ALSO never lost to Judai so Kaito is NOT the only one. :maybe
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Only reason I kinda leave out Zane is because you also got Chazz who was way more of the rival obsessed with beating the MC. But yeah, Zane gets that honor too

Just give Kaito his Chaos Number 62: Galaxy-Eyes Prime Photon Dragon and he’d one shot both scrubs

clark
 


What an interesting reddit thread folks, what could possibly go wrong in the comments section...

Am I the only one who's feeling beyond weary of seeing tired Destiny wank and people treating some of these popular modern FPS as one of the strongest series in all of fiction?

For anyone here on this board who happens to actually know the video game series better than I do?

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Destiny is pretty strong, but I don't think anyone's come up with a serious tiering system that can account for the way cosmology and infinity is handled in different series so blanket listing it as the strongest is a bit ridiculous (especially as Destiny's own tiering has its own unusual quirks and strangeness about understanding it)
 
OtherGalaxy said:
Destiny is pretty strong, but I don't think anyone's come up with a serious tiering system that can account for the way cosmology and infinity is handled in different series so blanket listing it as the strongest is a bit ridiculous (especially as Destiny's own tiering has its own unusual quirks and strangeness about understanding it)
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A bit ridiculous?

You mean way beyond ridiculous.

I'm just beyond sick of modern FPS/Western AAA video game-tards and seeing just one series they froth at the mouth so much getting incessantly wanked in powerscaling to the being listed as the "strongest X" is frankly too many for me.

Just trying to find someone to tell me I'm not crazy.
 
Well I don't think it's really wanked in the usual sense that wank is meant. The Destiny lore or whatever isn't being misrepresented exactly, it's just being overhyped in comparison to contemporary series and characters on that same level. It's different than stuff like people trying to push Kratos as high as possible no matter the contradictions, because a lot of this cosmic stuff actually is in Destiny, it just isn't necessarily enough to put it above other high tier series.
 
Darth Zion said:
Even by the scientific standards, which Destiny debaters bring up to argue that their verse is the strongest- Destiny at best stalemates Downstreamers. Both can create and have full control over Type-IV multiverses.
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This is exactly the sort of thing I mean and I think we are both recalling the same sb thread lol where the destiny side made similar claims because, mostly, of Type IV
 
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