Death Battle Discussion

[CrossTheHorizon]

most of his friends were getting killed

So? He still couldn't do it without outside assistance.

The multiverse already existed, the labyrinth forces you to perceive those possibilities, being a trap for consciousness.

They didn't exist until Simon perceived them, that's how the whole quantum mechanics thing works. Either way the point is that they aren't him. They exist outside of "base Simon"

that still requires that he has powers, or do you think absorbing a entire universe is not universe level?

He didn't absorb an entire universe, he absorbed the other Simons he had been connected to through the Labyrinth. He didn't reach them on his own, he can't call on them outside that situation, and he needed their power (AND the power of the rest of Team Dai-Gurren) to form TTGL.

this guys can give the same to simon?

I never said they wouldn't? I said he doesn't have anything that can push him past STTGL if he needed it.

there is no mention of that, even Anti-spiral seems surprised by Simon being able to stand up against his power.

"No mention"

You mean besides the entire speech on how drills work?

power progression, has always.

Finish your sentence

 

[CrossTheHorizon]

ahora escribiste en japonez no ahi problema?

スペイン語より上手

nah a insane person won't even tell you something sane, they will probably say something like...don't know

So yeah, you'd qualify for insane then

okay man

Are you suggesting it was all Simon?

then why didn't they got killed instantly?if that is not tanking something, i don't know what it is

"Tanking" is shrugging off an entire attack. They were explicitly going to die if Lord Genome didn't intervene.

to understand you

More like the show you're speaking of

there are arguments to be made for that

Kek

if you absorb a infinite multiverse, you get that feat of power, you can't absorb something so big, without yourself scaling to that think.

He only absorbs the other Simons, who are just sources of power at that point. They're making him stronger, he doesn't get stronger in order to absorb them

then we are not that different in that part.

If that makes you feel better

they will, because that will be ignoring the spiral power evolution capacity, which you seem to just call useless.

No they won't, because it's a demonstrated fact that Simon needs a massive external energy source to make that kind of leap. His normal growth can't perform those jumps.

then it is a pointless point because we both know they are going to give it to him anyway

I literally never said they wouldn't give him STTGL or TTGL. I said that's his soft cap for the fight.

 

[alexander082006]

So? He still couldn't do it without outside assistance.

for preparing the drills probably.

They didn't exist until Simon perceived them, that's how the whole quantum mechanics thing works. Either way the point is that they aren't him. They exist outside of "base Simon"

yes, they exists outside of base Simon (obvious)

He didn't absorb an entire universe, he absorbed the other Simons he had been connected to through the Labyrinth. He didn't reach them on his own, he can't call on them outside that situation, and he needed their power (AND the power of the rest of Team Dai-Gurren) to form TTGL.

so what is this?
and this?

"When Simon awakens without hesitation, he intergrates with the multiverse and rescues the members of the Team Dai-Gurren from the endless chain of possibilities. Finally getting Nia back from the Anti-Spiral. As Gurren Lagann emitted a new light, the final evolution of Gurren Lagann began."

does it not look like he absorbed the universes themselves?????

I never said they wouldn't? I said he doesn't have anything that can push him past STTGL if he needed it.

i wonder how did he overpowered Anti-spiral

"No mention"

You mean besides the entire speech on how drills work?

And did that explanation include that the drill lost power or something like that?

Finish your sentence

i sentence you to...THE NOWHERE

 

[alexander082006]

スペイン語より上手

con el gran numero de palabras disponibles en el español?claro

So yeah, you'd qualify for insane then

then put me in a fucking asylum if you think i am insane.

Are you suggesting it was all Simon?

is more a 60/40

"Tanking" is shrugging off an entire attack. They were explicitly going to die if Lord Genome didn't intervene.

Lordgenome also wanted to die in that moment to turn the big bang into a drill (which hey, that is impressive for him considering that he was supposed to die from that)

More like the show you're speaking of

life

Kek

que

He only absorbs the other Simons, who are just sources of power at that point. They're making him stronger, he doesn't get stronger in order to absorb them

so you agree that he absorbs them

If that makes you feel better

nah my feelings don't matter to you

No they won't, because it's a demonstrated fact that Simon needs a massive external energy source to make that kind of leap. His normal growth can't perform those jumps.

man i love when you will be proven wrong...but i also when i am proven wrong and you will probably laugh at me, or probably not because i don't know

I literally never said they wouldn't give him STTGL or TTGL. I said that's his soft cap for the fight.

man, all your comments seem to imply that.

 

[CrossTheHorizon]

for preparing the drills probably.

He needed the ocean of Spiral Energy my guy.

yes, they exists outside of base Simon (obvious)

And thus are not part of the power he personally generates

so what is this?
and this?

Him absorbing the other Simons? Like you do see that the sky and planet he was on in the alternate universe are still there right.
https://imgur.com/a/XXS5ZY8

does it not look like he absorbed the universes themselves?????

No

i wonder how did he overpowered Anti-spiral

He didn't. Every single mech was torn apart by superior power. He only won because each one got him close enough he could just barely manage a final strike.

And did that explanation include that the drill lost power or something like that?

How is "because we keep going we make incremental progress" hard to understand in this context.

i sentence you to...THE NOWHERE

I sentence you to the clown dimension

 

[alexander082006]

He needed the ocean of Spiral Energy my guy.

he was already doing it himself, the ocean of spiral energy just gave him a boost

And thus are not part of the power he personally generates

what

Him absorbing the other Simons? Like you do see that the sky and planet he was on in the alternate universe are still there right.

this is not a good argument, that place was not even neccesary to absorb.

No

there are hard ways to do it

He didn't. Every single mech was torn apart by superior power. He only won because each one got him close enough he could just barely manage a final strike.

yes, thats my point, all the mechs were torn apart because of the superior power, but Gurren Lagann didn't even when, it clearly should have been destroyed by the final strike (and again, there are no mentions of the drill getting weaker overtime)

How is "because we keep going we make incremental progress" hard to understand in this context.

then you are agreeing that he does progress in power, so what are we arguing?

I sentence you to the clown dimension

with this guy?shit sounds a better punishment

 

[CrossTheHorizon]

con el gran numero de palabras disponibles en el español?claro

日本語にはもっと正しい言葉があることに気づきます

then put me in a fucking asylum if you think i am insane.

I would but they closed them all down

is more a 60/40

Simon was sixty percent of turning the ocean into Spiral Energy? Did you lose the plot here?

Lordgenome also wanted to die in that moment to turn the big bang into a drill (which hey, that is impressive for him considering that he was supposed to die from that)

Irrelevant? If he didn't do it they were all dead.

life

Now you don't understand life?

.........you doing okay?

que

If you want to argue Anti-Spiral outscales the Source, good luck

so you agree that he absorbs them

The readily available source of Spiral Energy? Yeah

nah my feelings don't matter to you

Uh, okay then?

man i love when you will be proven wrong...but i also when i am proven wrong and you will probably laugh at me, or probably not because i don't know

.......what?

man, all your comments seem to imply that.

None of them do though. From the start my only point was "He can't just jump a tier higher than STTGL during the fight"

 

[CrossTheHorizon]

he was already doing it himself, the ocean of spiral energy just gave him a boost

He couldn't do it. Like they were going to die if Kitan didn't do what he did.

Stop trying to invalidate the rest of Team Dai-Gurren

what

The other Simons are independent sources of Spiral Energy Simon could not access outside the Labryinth.

this is not a good argument, that place was not even neccesary to absorb.

"Was not necessary"

Literally what allows them to form TTGL

Kekimus Maximus

there are hard ways to do it

There aren't when the universe is STILL THERE lmao

yes, thats my point, all the mechs were torn apart because of the superior power, but Gurren Lagann didn't even when, it clearly should have been destroyed by the final strike (and again, there are no mentions of the drill getting weaker overtime)

My guy, Gurren Lagan and Lagan itself also get torn to bits by superior power immediately afterwords

Unless the Anti-Spiral just decided to only put ten percent of its power in the drill and saved the rest for the planet tentacles lmao

then you are agreeing that he does progress in power, so what are we arguing?

That the progression of power isn't fast or sudden enough to facilitate another TTGL -> STTGL style power boost in the middle of the fight without an outside power source

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with this guy?shit sounds a better punishment

Uh, have fun then?

 

[alexander082006]

日本語にはもっと正しい言葉があることに気づきます

da igual

I would but they closed them all down

sad for you

Simon was sixty percent of turning the ocean into Spiral Energy? Did you lose the plot here?

No????????????I meant credit to transform into super galaxy gurren lagann.
the other percentages go to Kittan

Irrelevant? If he didn't do it they were all dead.

when did i even put irrelevant?

Now you don't understand life?
.........you doing okay?

i am okay.

If you want to argue Anti-Spiral outscales the Source, good luck

man that will be problematic and complicated.

The readily available source of Spiral Energy? Yeah

spiral power is everywhere in the universe, after all it is literraly the connection of the universe and life

Uh, okay then?

ok

.......what?

interpret it as you wish

None of them do though. From the start my only point was "He can't just jump a tier higher than STTGL during the fight"

mmm

 

[CrossTheHorizon]

da igual

いいえ

sad for you

Yeah, I don't have anywhere to put you now?

No????????????I meant credit to transform into super galaxy gurren lagann.
the other percentages go to Kittan

That's not what we were talking about in that thread though. Also that percentage is made up

when did i even put irrelevant?

You said "He wanted to die". Okay cool, if he didn't do it they were all dead anyway.

i am okay.

Alrighty then

man that will be problematic and complicated.

Then hush

spiral power is everywhere in the universe, after all it is literraly the connection of the universe and life

Wait are you now arguing that Simon doesn't actually generate Spiral Energy himself?

ok

Ok

interpret it as you wish

I interpret it as "you need to buy a better translator"

mmm

Uh

Concession accepted?

 

[CrossTheHorizon]

Also we're now just repeating shit and slowly reducing our responses to single work exchanges, so I'm gonna stop here

That was a weird conversation

 

[alexander082006]

He couldn't do it. Like they were going to die if Kitan didn't do what he did.

Stop trying to invalidate the rest of Team Dai-Gurren

all honesty, yeah i should not, but it is complicated for me to not discard them (unless you are Kittan, Joko, Viral and actually just summarised to the main ones)

The other Simons are independent sources of Spiral Energy Simon could not access outside the Labryinth.

the multiverse was already there

"Was not necessary"

Literally what allows them to form TTGL

ok

Kekimus Maximus



There aren't when the universe is STILL THERE lmao

there is also another statement that Simon absorbed all versions of him in every place, every time, the past, present and future, basically everywhere...if that does not include the entire multiverse then i don't know

My guy, Gurren Lagan and Lagan itself also get torn to bits by superior power immediately afterwords

okay

Unless the Anti-Spiral just decided to only put ten percent of its power in the drill and saved the rest for the planet tentacles lmao

the Anti spiral is supposed to be on equal terms with you (not in power)

That the progression of power isn't fast or sudden enough to facilitate another TTGL -> STTGL style power boost in the middle of the fight without an outside power source

nah

Uh, have fun then?

thanks

 

[alexander082006]

Also we're now just repeating shit and slowly reducing our responses to single work exchanges, so I'm gonna stop here

That was a weird conversation

yeah

 

[alexander082006]

いいえ

ok

Yeah, I don't have anywhere to put you now?

...

That's not what we were talking about in that thread though. Also that percentage is made up

i was talking in my view

You said "He wanted to die". Okay cool, if he didn't do it they were all dead anyway.

i can see it

Alrighty then

ok

Wait are you now arguing that Simon doesn't actually generate Spiral Energy himself?

no?

Ok



I interpret it as "you need to buy a better translator"



Uh

Concession accepted?

 

[CrossTheHorizon]

Did you go out of your way to respond to all three posts only to then give me the final word by ending your response with my quote

What is happening right now

 

[alexander082006]

man, i am weird, but i am not evil

 

[Claudio Swiss]

 

[CrossTheHorizon]

man, i am weird, but i am not evil

Didn't say you were. In OBD terms what you and I just did barely qualifies as a fight

 

[AcidSoup]

Like if you have the evidence to upgrade the verse then make the meta thread, prove your stance and then if everyone cool YOU update the wiki.

@AcidSoup get cracking homeboy

Absolutely monstrous undertaking with a hundred things to go over and justify and such but it is necessary

(I have no idea how to make a verse meta thread too)

 

[AcidSoup]