Resolved Standards of evidence discussion.

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I'm gonna make a thread about it tomorrow. I say if we can't trust peer review then we might as well wipe our ass with any data and admit that really we don't know what we're talking about.

This is a place for informed political discussion and we need a standard of evidence especially if we're going to be stating controversial points.

The problem is whose standard of evidence?

A socialists? The wokesters? We have demonstrable proof that the scientific and medical communities are engaging in widespread fraud for ideological reasons and who trusts what?

Put the sources out in public and let people decide.

Don't force people to use only sources that you and the staff find respectable. Given some of your peers here I assure you, you will be dispensing witchcraft.

Edit- it's rather disturbing that you think you can only have knowledge on a subject if you cite information that other people approve of.

Knowledge doesn't work on consensus.
 

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The problem is whose standard of evidence?
A collective one we can all be satisfied with.
A socialists? The wokesters? We have demonstrable proof that the scientific and medical communities are engaging in widespread fraud for ideological reasons and who trusts what?
That sounds pretty conspiratorial. Do you have overwhelming and factual evidence to uphold your claim? Or is this a well some colleges have maniac oppressive indoctrinating professors so our entire system is valueless?
Put the sources out in public and let people decide.
Some people decide based on bias and don't bother to scrutinize a source. We should show what we said we would show if we had a more open cafe. That is intelligent, reasoned discussion with some kind of backing besides well I feel like this is the case.
Don't force people to use only sources that you and the staff find respectable. Given some of your peers here I assure you, you will be dispensing witchcraft.
Nobody said that would be the case.
Edit- it's rather disturbing that you think you can only have knowledge on a subject if you cite information that other people approve of.

Knowledge doesn't work on consensus.
Knowledge also doesn't work through one mans google searches based on justifying their own opinions so we need a more central standard.

You have made the claim that hundreds of scientists in the peer review process are not valid information and the burden of proof for that claim is on you, agreed?

For the record this discussion is to discuss how we handle debates on serious news and political topics. You will not be censored or silenced but we need some standard to base arguments on.
 
That sounds pretty conspiratorial. Do you have overwhelming and factual evidence to uphold your claim?

One cannot ask such a question and live in reality. All of our academia is infested subversive and hostile to the US. Jesus even conservative institutions like Hillsdale college teach appeasement.

The absolutely deplorable state of the world over the last decade and the sprint to tyranny is evidence enough.

My proof is the deification and fetishization of a man whose family was connected to the Genovese crime syndicate and whose incompetent response to a pandemic resulted in millions dead from HIV. Solely because he provides a placebo that enables a social neurosis.

Further more demanding sources in the manner that you and other users do is an attempt to stonewall, by babbling about accredited sources one sets the theme of dismissal and does so to impeach anything that doesn't fit their worldview

@Es_ has a great stance on "Source bros" and that's to dismiss them and mock them and continue to assert his claims.

It's a stance I wholly approve of.

Good faith debate is impossible when pedantry and obtusity are involved.
For the record this discussion is to discuss how we handle debates on serious news and political topics. You will not be censored or silenced but we need some standard to base arguments on.

I do not believe former Cafe users, especially those who support domestic terrorist organizations are qualified to determine the format for discussion.

Half the people you called into this thread spent the better part of two years making false accusations that bordered on defamation against the OBD and against users in particular.

Your mislike of sources that contradict the official narrative is concerning. You cannot moderate an information section and condemn the dissemination of information.

And it looks like this thread is merely an attempt at justification for the suppression of information in posterity.

Tldr: there should be no central standards and I encourage users to flood the section with info wars articles as a form of protesting censorship :tupac

The userbase can determine whats horse shit or not, by using their own brains and common sense.
 
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Es_

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The main problem with this is I have wasted time citing things reserch incidents stats and people will find a means to dismiss on technicality and I have had my time wasted. Some stuff will be paywalled even and I cannot be assed for every single debate for thus. This is my grievence.
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Makeoutparadise

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The userbase can determine whats horse shit or not, by using their own brains and common sense.
Judging by the way the pandemic is going most people can’t tell the diffrenece between good and bad information.

like I KNOW that that only thing keeping me safe is taking the vaccine

but because you fill your brain with fox news, info wars and news max you’re siding with the people want to eat horse paste and inhale bleach and just spread the virus to reach herd immunity which will all poison and kill people.

We can’t rely on “the rational thought” of humans because we don’t act or think rationally
 

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One cannot ask such a question and live in reality. All of our academia is infested subversive and hostile to the US. Jesus even conservative institutions like Hillsdale college teach appeasement.
And I guess Jesus Christ is coming to save me now as well because I said so?

If you want a point to be taken seriously then it needs to be backed up by facts. If we can't agree on what is and isn't a fact then there's no arguments to be had, just people sharing their personal experiences which are valueless in finding the truth of any given matter.
The absolutely deplorable state of the world over the last decade and the sprint to tyranny is evidence enough.
No it isn't and I know you know this is no different than leftist saying that all whites are evil racists. I have no interest in harboring such nonsense here and as a fair and balanced individual I must apply that standard to BOTH sides.
My proof is the deification and fetishization of a man whose family was connected to the Genovese crime family and whose incompetent response to a pandemic resulted in millions dead from HIV. Solely because he provides a placebo that enables a social neurosis.
Where did you even read this? Not even a source. This is just rambling at this point. You realize that yes?
Further more demanding sources in the manner that you and other users do is an attempt to stonewall, by babbling about accredited sources one sets the theme of dismissal and does so to impeach anything that doesn't fit their worldview
Listen very closely. The news section is for serious discussion about issues that affect the lives of real people. Left or right we cannot abide having ridiculous opinions with zero backing. No matter the member or subject in question I'm not interested how you reconcile something within yourself, I'm interested how facts and realoty reconcile with your opinion as all should.
@Es_ has a great stance on "Source bros" and that's to dismiss them and mock them and continue to assert his claims.
If this section was a majority peolle who believe black people are incapable of being racist and you tried to argue them down you would fail under your style of management.

This is not a realistic way for the facts to come out, it's a recipe for an asylum of conspiracy theories clashing in opppsition. No we need some semblance of order.
It's a stance I wholly approve of.

Good faith debate is impossible when pedantry and obtusity are involved.
It's obtuse to think an unbacked opinion is of worth in a serious discussion.
I do not believe former Cafe users, especially those who support domestic terrorist organizations are qualified to determine the format for discussion.

Half the people you called into this thread spent the better part of two years making false accusations that bordered on defamation against the OBD and against users in particular.
I made many claims to show that I don't let my bias affect me. If you can make bold and unbacked claims that our entire system is corrupt then you're okay with someone claiming all white people are racist.

If you're unwilling to show that you're better than these people and not at their level then we have simply made an equally shitty and opposite version of the cafe.

Also half the people? So you're saying I invited half yay and half nay? That sounds fair to me.
Your mislike of sources that contradict the official narrative is concerning. You cannot moderate an information section and condemn the dissemination of information.
I didn't any sources I debated lacked peer review or had a small sample size, very commonly known weaknesses to sources.

I didn't thread ban anyone, delete any posts, or close any threads.
And it looks like this thread is merely an attempt at justification for the suppression of information in posterity.

Tldr: there should be no central standards and I encourage users to flood the section with info wars articles as a form of protesting censorship :tupac

The userbase can determine whats horse shit or not, by using their own brains and common sense.

Again you say the userbase can determine it but the same wouldn't apply to the NF cafe in your eyes would it? Imagine this moderation but with the even variation of opinions on NF.
 
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Es_

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I KNOW that that only thing keeping me safe is taking the vaccine
Knowing and feeling are two exclusively different emotions but I digress


because you fill your brain with fox news, info wars and news max you’re siding with the people want to eat horse paste and inhale bleach and just spread the virus to reach herd immunity which will all poison and kill people.
Appeal to popularity and emotion and political rhetoric dear boy


We can’t rely on “the rational thought” of humans because we don’t act or think rationally
Speak for yourself my guy
 

Es_

Straight Silver
Where did you even read this? Not even a source. This is just rambling at this point. You realize that yes?
Faucci botched AIDS response its literally in the news

People were protesting him its still on google I can find shit all over and post it bro if yiu want

This illistrates my point things from 3 decades ago that were once common knowledge is now shouted down as ramblings
 
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Makeoutparadise

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We can’t have this be another place where fake news and false claims can spew out of.
we need to treat sources with vetting and academic standards of some kind.

if you think people are all naturally logical and smart enough to tell bull shit from crap.I can point to the 2020 election and inauguration

where people stormed the capitol based on what info wars and fox said.

you’re either gonna let
Qtards, Anti-trans and white nationalist run this section.

or you’re gonna have standards that won’t allow them to post their toxic crap brainwashing people into committing hate crimes and defying the law
 

Es_

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I have no qualms about evidence to be on topic

Its just that can easily be used to stonewall or control a narrative especially if its cited from someonething someone dislikes it applies on both ends as makeout is displaying with these busts of emotional accusations there needs to be some nuance
 

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I have no qualms about evidence to be on topic

Its just that can easily be used to stonewall or control a narrative especially if its cited from someonething someone dislikes it applies on both ends as makeout is displaying with these busts of emotional accusations there needs to be some nuance

I think you know things are different here but we can't continue with the current free for all. As it stands the opinuons you really don't like could be enforced by the majority in time with new members.
 

Es_

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I think you know things are different here but we can't continue with the current free for all. As it stands the opinuons you really don't like could be enforced by the majority in time with new members.
I dislike the assertion that this makeout dudes religous zeal stands as cited sources while my anger at people I know who watch their mothers die because coof was prioritized over cancer is conspiracy

If we do debates sources cannot be used as a crutch as somone can do things the wikipedia way and just cite shit and bullshit to get a win you see

I just dislike citations being used as a crutch
 

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I dislike the assertion that this makeout dudes religous zeal stands as cited sources while my anger at people I know who watch their mothers die because coof was prioritized over cancer is conspiracy

If we do debates sources cannot be used as a crutch as somone can do things the wikipedia way and just cite shit and bullshit to get a win you see

I just dislike citations being used as a crutch

Citations are not a crutch or immediate validations to an argument and certainly not immunity.

But again like my last example I won't have someome come in here and be like all white people are racist and the not even back shit up. I mighy as well consider that baiting.

Just cause they cite a source doesn't mean you have to combat it with a sourcr either.

It's against logic to generalize a group of peolle cause people don't work like that.
 
but because you fill your brain with fox news, info wars and news max you’re siding with the people want to eat horse paste and inhale bleach and just spread the virus to reach herd immunity which will all poison and kill people.
Alex Jones is a Fed meant to psyop the right, I hate Fox News because they're globalist cunts. Newsmax is run by cowards and I firmly believe all news outlets exist to demoralize the population and so I trust none of them.

So when you're done strawmanning me because you are fundamentally incapable of debating off script, come back and weigh in on this topic.

And I guess Jesus Christ is coming to save me now as well because I said so?

Oh? Do we have unmedicated schizophrenics who post on this site? Are you alleging that the userbase is so mentally deranged it can't deal the difference between a tabloid article and counter info?
If you want a point to be taken seriously.

I've no issue persuading anyone. I do it all the time my friend and I do it well enough people had to resort to trying to imply I was a century old retired terrorist from inner Mongolia in a sad attempt to silence me..
Where did you even read this? Not even a source. This is just rambling at this point. You realize that yes?

I have a memory longer than two minutes and the ability to research enough to read old articles and ears to listen to journalists over 60 who remember the bad old days.

Be less dismissive so you don't legitimize my point by existing. It'll make arguing with me easier. :tupac
Listen very closely. The news section is for serious discussion about issues that affect the lives of real people. Left or right we cannot abide having ridiculous opinions with zero backing. No matter the member or subject in question I'm not interested how you reconcile something within yourself, I'm interested how facts and realoty reconcile with your opinion as all should.

And who determines what constitutes a serious article Eh? The mainstream is a circus act at present.

You can easily negate the conspiracy shit with a rule that says any article or tweet posted commenting on an ongoing tragedy has to strictly be of a relaying of the events themselves and updating as the story unfolds.

That eliminates conjecture and analysis of any sort leaving us purely with facts.

Sound good?
If this section was a majority peolle who believe black people are incapable of being racist and you tried to argue them down you would fail under your style of management.
That is quite literally the demographic of your section. You have a literal black ethnonationalist/ separatist in this very thread lurking.
This is not a realistic way for the facts to come out, it's a recipe for an asylum of conspiracy theories clashing in opppsition. No we need some semblance of order.
No one on the staff is qualified to determine what is a conspiracy and what isn't.

Nor do we have the right to put our perceptions above sense.
I made many claims to show that I don't let my bias affect me. If you can make bold and unbacked claims that our entire system is corrupt then you're okay with someone claiming all white people are racist..

They absolutely have every right to make that claim and the rest of us have every right to call that person retarded for making such a crazy claim.
Again you say the userbase can determine it but the same wouldn't apply to the NF cafe in your eyes would it? Imagine this moderation but with the even variation of opinions on NF.

Why are you equating the dissemination of information with inviting former denizens of a madhouse to weigh in on policy?
 

Nep Nep

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Your proposal infantilizes, mine elevates the common poster to a level where he is recognized as a thinking being with analytical skills.

It may offend some users. But I hold the easily offended in contempt

You seem to be missing something here. This subjects our news section here to the whims of whatever the majority agrees on. In other words if we get more left leaning members and I continue as we are then you will be silenced by majority, laughed out, roasted, etc by new members.

Is that what you want? You want the new section to be a chaotic sea of whichever ideology is currently held by the majority of its regulars?
 
We can’t have this be another place where fake news and false claims can spew out of.
we need to treat sources with vetting and academic standards of some kind.

if you think people are all naturally logical and smart enough to tell bull shit from crap.I can point to the 2020 election and inauguration

where people stormed the capitol based on what info wars and fox said.

you’re either gonna let
Qtards, Anti-trans and white nationalist run this section.

or you’re gonna have standards that won’t allow them to post their toxic crap brainwashing people into committing hate crimes and defying the law

This is perhaps one of the most compelling arguments for why we must reject "accredited sources".

You don't sound like a human being with a soul, but a computer generated response from an AI that was programmed to simulate leftist Twitter users.

You're also monstrously misinformed.
 
You seem to be missing something here. This subjects our news section here to the whims of whatever the majority agrees on. In other words if we get more left leaning members and I continue as we are then you will be silenced by majority, laughed out, roasted, etc by new members.

Is that what you want? You want the new section to be a chaotic sea of whichever ideology is currently held by the majority of its regulars?

Ive laid low that majority before, taking on and more or less shattering the whole damn Cafe.

I did it, @Es_ Did it, Nostalgia fan and Tehchron did it.

They had to literally rewrite the rules of the forum to silence little old me then fabricate instances of hate speech to get me banned from it.

They have no such protections and power here.

Your section will succeed in doing nothing of the sort. Not against us, not against me.

So no, im.not afraid of that. It's never happened before.
 
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