Goten and Trunks compete in the ToP
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After seeing them fighting Gohan, I guess they stop at Kefla.
Hard to say, yeah they gave Cell Max some challenge but yet Gohan was easily holding his own against both at just Super Saiyan even though even Ultimate Gohan was no match for Cell Max and needed Beast to beat him. It seems to me Cell Max was jobbing which would make sense since it had just awakened and was likely getting used to using its power for the first time
Also, kind of a shame Gohan’s SS2 seems to be forgotten these days. Yeah Beast is obviously based on it but still.
Also, kind of a shame Gohan’s SS2 seems to be forgotten these days. Yeah Beast is obviously based on it but still.
Cell Max’s power was constantly raising. This was stated throughout the fight, and even after Goten, Trunks and the Gammas bull-rushed him into a mountain
This is the Manga version, to be fair and it's usually pretty funky when it comes to powerlevels at points...
Either way, I will say it depends on Manga or Anime wise we are going with here...
If we are going Manga ToP, they would actually make it to Jiren, forget Kefla.
If we are going with Anime ToP, they get stopped by Kefla cold. Kefla gets meme'd on in the anime but UI Omen Goku at the end of the day didn't even overpower her and explicitly attacked her completely off her guard at that.
I doubt either of them are at Anime Kefla's level in the slightest.
I like how Kale seemed more overpowered than Kefla in the manga
In Kefla’s defense, she did fight Ultimate Gohan to a stalemate and pushed him to his limit to where both could barely move. Gohan with this latest chapter clearly does not need his Ultimate state to handle Goten and Trunks, Super Saiyan was comfortably handling both at once
In Kefla’s defense, she did fight Ultimate Gohan to a stalemate and pushed him to his limit to where both could barely move. Gohan with this latest chapter clearly does not need his Ultimate state to handle Goten and Trunks, Super Saiyan was comfortably handling both at once
Doesn't really matter considering Manga wise, Kefla is literally just Caulifla controlling Kale's power and there is no hint that either got stronger with their fusion unlike the anime where it's stated Kefla is Caulifla and Kale's power doubled over many times(Not to mention Kale explicitly not only is able to control her power but also hit a whole new form with it and is capable of fighting SSJG Goku).
So it's not much of an achievement for Gohan to ring out Kefla considering the people Kale ringed out didn't do jack and of shit and we have no idea how powerful they really should be in the Manga(Like Anilaza).
Hardly, and while it was two on one. It’s clear as day Gohan at just Super Saiyan would easily beat them one on one.
I know, that shit made no sense and goes against how Potara works. Felt like plot convenience for Gohan to win on his own rather than Ultra Instinct Goku or a heavy hitter like Jiren being needed
They nerfed Toppo hard too compared to the anime
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I woulnd't take the "she has Kale's strength etc" statement overly literally
Maybe but the problem with that anyway is that Caulifla and Kale are massively weaker in the Manga in comparison to the Anime(Caulfila not only goes SSJ2 but can fight Goku in base, SSJ1 and 2 without issues and this is where his God Powers are fused into him at that, I already talked about Kale but even her rampage in the Anime was given far more onus than the Manga despite her eliminating more people due to how little they did and how much weaker most of the fighters are.)
I don’t know about that. He’s stronger one on one but the gap is not very big. Otherwise they would have never made him struggle
And this is a trained Gohan who’s even stronger than he was in Super Hero, mind you
Dubious how much or even if he got stronger. It’s not like I’m going to argue his Super Saiyan is now the same power level he needed an arc before at least Ultimate to be.
I really didn’t see any struggle. Gohan was easily holding his own against both at once to argue their anything remotely close to any ToP opponents Gohan needed Ultimate against,
As for who besides Kefla that may be, that would require a reread of manga ToP which I’m definitely not doing
It’s not dubious, we’re directly told he trained since the Cell Max fight. There was a time-skip between the events of that fight and now
Ultimate Gohan in the Moro arc is far stronger than he was in the ToP. Goku said he was so powerful he didn’t even recognize it was Gohan. ToP was a while back
Ignoring the fact Kefla is one-shot fodder to even Moro arc Gohan, the bit about Gohan not struggling isn’t true
Even ignoring these, he was on the defensive the entire time. Quite frankly Trunks and Gohan showed parity here
The gap is really not that big
Again, I argued it’s dubious just what the power gap is and definitely not enough evidence to say Gohan in just Super Saiyan is now stronger than even his Ultimate self a few arcs agoIt’s not dubious, we’re directly told he trained since the Cell Max fight. There was a time-skip between the events of that fight and now
Ultimate Gohan in the Moro arc is far stronger than he was in the ToP. Goku said he was so powerful he didn’t even recognize it was Gohan. ToP was a while back
Ignoring the fact Kefla is one-shot fodder to even Moro arc Gohan, the bit about Gohan not struggling isn’t true
Even ignoring these, he was on the defensive the entire time. Quite frankly Trunks and Gohan showed parity here
The gap is really not that big
I’ve seen the whole fight. From what’s shown, they need to team up together against Gohan while Gohan himself is limiting himself to Super Saiyan their in.
Remember at the end of the day, this is Manga Continuity which is WHOLLY different than the Anime continuity.
Kefla is MASSIVELY weaker in the Manga than in the Anime and Power Jumps are even more significant in the Manga in comparison to the Anime(It doesn't seem as obvious but even after the Future Zamasu arc, Hit is still on par with Goku and especially after pulling out his bag of tricks and even nearly defeated Jiren in his sole encounter while Goku didn't have a prayer).
This also requires bringing up Saiyan Beyond God exists in the Anime/Movie continuity but not in the Manga continuity which is what also massively downplays the levels(Alongside the losses of SSBKaioken, Blue Evolution and the like... though to be fair, the Movie Continuity doesn't do it either despite following the Anime Continuity). So yeah, you can easily say Trunks and Goten can actually defeat everyone in the ToP but Jiren in the Manga continuity without any real issues.
Kefla is MASSIVELY weaker in the Manga than in the Anime and Power Jumps are even more significant in the Manga in comparison to the Anime(It doesn't seem as obvious but even after the Future Zamasu arc, Hit is still on par with Goku and especially after pulling out his bag of tricks and even nearly defeated Jiren in his sole encounter while Goku didn't have a prayer).
This also requires bringing up Saiyan Beyond God exists in the Anime/Movie continuity but not in the Manga continuity which is what also massively downplays the levels(Alongside the losses of SSBKaioken, Blue Evolution and the like... though to be fair, the Movie Continuity doesn't do it either despite following the Anime Continuity). So yeah, you can easily say Trunks and Goten can actually defeat everyone in the ToP but Jiren in the Manga continuity without any real issues.
Vegeta actually has Blue Evolution in the manga. It’s that powerup he does when he blows Toppo out of the arena, it’s just not drawn with the same level of muscle as the anime