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. His speed is not very impressive
Ainz vs HxH world
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His death hax only affecting those weaker than him is based on? If I remember correctly, Shalltear is literally stronger than him and his death hax worked as soon as he negated her racial immunity to it.
Assuming he's really hypersonic, mach 21 isn't blitzing him from our standard starting distance and timestop only requieres a mental activation.
Practically every fictional verse that has ever been used for this hobby is somewhat inconsistent.
Thanks for reminding me that Ainz has spatial hax via Reality Slash.
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Problem with OV's death hax is the most of the time it's used to kill fodder. Shalltear died because TGOALID negates all immunities/resistances. It's not something that Ainz can do normally.
Outside of TGOALID feats for his death magic effecting someone on a different tier than him are bare.
Also, seeing as how the Zoldyck family is named by the OP, this isn't gonna be a upfront confrontation where Ainz gets time to use his spells.
There Assassin's, there gonna use there worldwide surveillance net to track Ainz till they have all the data they need and then spring a trap on him.
From what I know Ainz doesn't have a way to sense Zetsu which makes one's presence similar to a inanimate object. Meaning Silva and Zeno could easily sneak up on him and hit him with a dragon dive or a few punches before Ainz can stop time, teleport, etc.
Also Ainz has no feats for surviving a Rose Bomb or resisting Nanika simply killing him with her wish powers.
Problem with OV's death hax is the most of the time it's used to kill fodder. Shalltear died because TGOALID negates all immunities/resistances. It's not something that Ainz can do normally.
Outside of TGOALID feats for his death magic effecting someone on a different tier than him are bare.
Also, seeing as how the Zoldyck family is named by the OP, this isn't gonna be a upfront confrontation where Ainz gets time to use his spells.
There Assassin's, there gonna use there worldwide surveillance net to track Ainz till they have all the data they need and then spring a trap on him.
From what I know Ainz doesn't have a way to sense Zetsu which makes one's presence similar to a inanimate object. Meaning Silva and Zeno could easily sneak up on him and hit him with a dragon dive or a few punches before Ainz can stop time, teleport, etc.
Also Ainz has no feats for surviving a Rose Bomb or resisting Nanika simply killing him with her wish powers.
He honestly doesn't have the ability to deal with the Chimera Ants either nor the higher levels of the Hunters' Association. He would actually get BTFO more often than not.
Reality Slash is literally a worse Strong Cleave in every fashion and Strong Cleave ain't that good either.
Reality Slash is literally a worse Strong Cleave in every fashion and Strong Cleave ain't that good either.
Oh definitely, I said the Zoldyck family cause there the most likely to act on a hit from God, second being the phantom troupe, but the weakest that could defeat Ainz would probably be Godspeed Killua. Their in the same tier but Ainz has no way to keep up with the speed of lightning.
In other words a 12-year-old can beat Ainz like he owed him money
Since when do we need feats of hax like that affecting someone on a higher tier. Hax usually works on anyone that doesn't have a resistance feat or similiar against that exact form of hax.
Why would we even call stuff hax if it's worthless against anyone that's > the user in raw power.
Shalltear is specifically immune to death magic because she's an undead. Hence him needing TGOALID to negate her immunity.
I don't know anything about HxH so I can't really comment on any of the other things you posted.
No idea how the wish power that you mentioned functions, but he might have some resistance against that kind of ability through his world items. <- I'm not even gonna try to argue for that without doing some research and double checking stuff though and I don't care enough to invest that much time into this.
As I said above I don't really know anything about the HxH, so I'll take your word for it.
I don’t see why Ainz hax wouldn’t work the issue is most HxH characters are a lot faster than him and there’s quite a few stronger
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Wish wise it might not work on ainz, as the world item he wears negates wishes made against him. At one point a wish granting world item changed the fundamental functions of magic in the game world, ainz and those with world items were unaffected due to there world items. Similarly with the shalltear mind control event it's kinda implied having a world item/being under the affects of a world item negates wishes (Which anyone with a world item is under it's effects as they grant a status known as the protection of the world)
As far as I found, Cheetu is around 200 km/h in speed. There is no mention of him being Mach 21.
But there was indeed a mention of this :
I believe one of the better ways to express the Guardians' power is through this;
Overlord Volume 14 Witch of the Falling Kingdom
A figure was rapidly descending. It was Albedo. “—!” Ainz heard Riku let out a sound that could not even be defined as a sound. He was absolutely stunned. As Riku shook, Albedo approached him, her speed was on par with one of Aura’s arrows. And then— “YOU BASTARD, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!” While that terrifying roar was heard, the halberd named 3F was swung down with the intention to split Riku’s head open. Riku raised his greatsword and spear in a cross to block her attack. The impact created by 3F was sizable, as both of Riku’s feet were sunk into the ground. In the next moment, Riku was blown away to the side. Albedo had stomped her foot onto Riku’s chest. The armor let out a pitiful clang. “You insect! How dare you disrespect Ainz-sama! Unforgivable!!” Albedo’s declaration caused the air around them to quake. She began attacking afterwards. The distance between the two was closed in an instant as Riku received an attack with enough force to send him soaring into orbit. The sound of metal clashing together rang out at an ear-piercing volume.
Albedo is not even the fastest being in the Overlord, but if we take NW as Earth, then the speed at which she sent him flying was 11km/s, atmost 32.01 Mach. It's her attack speed only.
Also, in HxH, Netero surpassing the speed of sound was far more impressive than anything else. It was his speed of sound that gave him edge against tge likes of Meruem.
But there was indeed a mention of this :
I believe one of the better ways to express the Guardians' power is through this;
Overlord Volume 14 Witch of the Falling Kingdom
A figure was rapidly descending. It was Albedo. “—!” Ainz heard Riku let out a sound that could not even be defined as a sound. He was absolutely stunned. As Riku shook, Albedo approached him, her speed was on par with one of Aura’s arrows. And then— “YOU BASTARD, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!” While that terrifying roar was heard, the halberd named 3F was swung down with the intention to split Riku’s head open. Riku raised his greatsword and spear in a cross to block her attack. The impact created by 3F was sizable, as both of Riku’s feet were sunk into the ground. In the next moment, Riku was blown away to the side. Albedo had stomped her foot onto Riku’s chest. The armor let out a pitiful clang. “You insect! How dare you disrespect Ainz-sama! Unforgivable!!” Albedo’s declaration caused the air around them to quake. She began attacking afterwards. The distance between the two was closed in an instant as Riku received an attack with enough force to send him soaring into orbit. The sound of metal clashing together rang out at an ear-piercing volume.
Albedo is not even the fastest being in the Overlord, but if we take NW as Earth, then the speed at which she sent him flying was 11km/s, atmost 32.01 Mach. It's her attack speed only.
Also, in HxH, Netero surpassing the speed of sound was far more impressive than anything else. It was his speed of sound that gave him edge against tge likes of Meruem.
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Where are you getting 200kmh from for Cheetu? He statued multiple bullets which is where his mach 20 calc came from. Don’t recall surpassing sound speed being stated what was impressive for Netero either
onelastforum.com
heres some of the speed calcs Chaos did that we reference here
anyhow, 200kmh speed as a cap or even just supersonic make little sense when much slower characters have been able to casually dodge machine gun fire since Yorknew. The speed of just one average bullet alone is around 3000kmh
Hunter X Hunter Feats - Various Chimera Ant Arc Palace Invasion Speed Feats
Palace (Red Line) = 532 pixels Small Dome Diameter (Light Green Line) = 23 pixels Large Dome Diameter (Light Blue) = 81 pixels 500 meters (Green Line) = 184 pixels (I was able to use a ratio between the palace size in meters and the stated 500...
onelastforum.com heres some of the speed calcs Chaos did that we reference here
anyhow, 200kmh speed as a cap or even just supersonic make little sense when much slower characters have been able to casually dodge machine gun fire since Yorknew. The speed of just one average bullet alone is around 3000kmh
We don't only use a single statement of how fast someone is, we go with their feats as statements can always be contradicted until they are proven otherwise.
We made a calc that shows Cheetu at Mach 21 and as @OtherGalaxy stated, you had characters casually dodge bullets since Yorknew and the casual bullet is far faster than 200 KM/H.
I don't see at all how that's supposed to make your point as that comes from her STRENGTH, not her SPEED.
So I don't even see how the hell that works...
EDIT: Not to mention that like everything else in Overlord, everyone else is so much weaker than anything in Nazarick, it makes the feat effectively meaningless.
the other issue is again Cheetu outpaces bullets, which would make him much faster than 200kmh even before any attempt at calculating comes into play
they’re completely regular guns fired so not really any way to discount their speed
they’re completely regular guns fired so not really any way to discount their speed
King of time
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. How the hell is 200k/h when you can do this?
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Top speeds you can get out of overlord are explicitly super sonic to nebulously hypersonic using the translation of shalltears movement leaving heat trails.
Saying that If this were a less conventional vs situation I suspect ainz and coe would become incredibly annoying to deal with. In direct confrontations they wouldn't do to well due to the speed gap but if allowed to apply there softer powers they could probably get much farther. A base full of monsters with out of context abilities/weird rules about how things affect them and the ability to simply keep coming back if you don't destroy there home base is really annoying for many settings to deal with.
Saying that If this were a less conventional vs situation I suspect ainz and coe would become incredibly annoying to deal with. In direct confrontations they wouldn't do to well due to the speed gap but if allowed to apply there softer powers they could probably get much farther. A base full of monsters with out of context abilities/weird rules about how things affect them and the ability to simply keep coming back if you don't destroy there home base is really annoying for many settings to deal with.
To be fair, this is ONLY Ainz vs. HxH and this would only have the stuff on Ainz's back so basically, he's more boned here than he would be because the "speed feats" being pulled aren't even from him but others which doesn't mean jack.
Assuming the speed difference really is just something like mach 5 to mach 21, he's not getting blitzed at standard distance. I don't recall any noteworthy speed feat, except maybe him flying up a decent distance in an early episode to take a look at the sky.
It takes him ~13 second to reach this level of altitude in episode 2 of s1.
His firepower alone likely isn't enough to get him far, but it doesn't really matter anyway as Ainz relies mostly on hax in serious fights.
Timestop + death hax is his prefered way of fighting. His death hax can also be used over large AoE, enough to kill 70000+people at once.
He can also teleport and delay his opponents teleportations.
To address that, I wouldn't really use that feat as anything making him fast worth shit compared to a HxH character(They should be able to clear that even faster if they could fly).
And alot of Ainz's other shit comes from his reactions which are equally non-existent so he would get blitzed before he did anything.
Assuming its similar to earth and that he travelled to the edge of the planets atmosphere this would be about mach 20 actuallyAssuming the speed difference really is just something like mach 5 to mach 21, he's not getting blitzed at standard distance. I don't recall any noteworthy speed feat, except maybe him flying up a decent distance in an early episode to take a look at the sky.
It takes him ~13 second to reach this level of altitude in episode 2 of s1.
His firepower alone likely isn't enough to get him far, but it doesn't really matter anyway as Ainz relies mostly on hax in serious fights.
Timestop + death hax is his prefered way of fighting. His death hax can also be used over large AoE, enough to kill 70000+people at once.
He can also teleport and delay his opponents teleportations.
Late response but that kind of thinking is subject to lots of wank. You could make the argument Goku dies to a death spell cause he hasn't shown to resist OV death spells.
And yes hax needs feats to effect characters on a way different tier than them.
It doesn't help on top of that DBZ does have a Magic User that consistently fights with the main cast and Ki still matters regardless... I'm talking about Piccolo.
So we can't say even then a Magic based Instant Kill spell should work on a DBZ character without any proof it should.
Don't bother with that. I posted that link on the first page and he called it "fan wank".Where are you getting 200kmh from for Cheetu? He statued multiple bullets which is where his mach 20 calc came from. Don’t recall surpassing sound speed being stated what was impressive for Netero either
Hunter X Hunter Feats - Various Chimera Ant Arc Palace Invasion Speed Feats
Palace (Red Line) = 532 pixels Small Dome Diameter (Light Green Line) = 23 pixels Large Dome Diameter (Light Blue) = 81 pixels 500 meters (Green Line) = 184 pixels (I was able to use a ratio between the palace size in meters and the stated 500...
heres some of the speed calcs Chaos did that we reference here
anyhow, 200kmh speed as a cap or even just supersonic make little sense when much slower characters have been able to casually dodge machine gun fire since Yorknew. The speed of just one average bullet alone is around 3000kmh
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TBF this is a lot more then you think if you go by some things said in volume one
Then, like he was opening a window, Momonga swept his hand to one side. A hole appeared out of nowhere, and within it were many beautifully crafted magic staves. It was exactly like the inventory in Yggdrasil. He moved his hand in a scrolling motion. In the space revealed, one could see all manner of scrolls, wands, weapons, armor, cosmetic items, gems, potions, other consumables…
the sheer number of magic items in there was aweinspiring. Thus relieved, Momonga could not help but laugh. If this were the case, Momonga felt that he could guarantee his own safety even if everyone in the Tomb set themselves against him.
the sheer number of magic items in there was aweinspiring. Thus relieved, Momonga could not help but laugh. If this were the case, Momonga felt that he could guarantee his own safety even if everyone in the Tomb set themselves against him.