Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Xhominid The Apex said:
Still doesn't matter, that dude is not that strong to be reliable to even state that he or his followers can stand up to the majority of fiction like everyone who wanks them believe they could.
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Fair I never made such a claim.

I mean I thought you figured this out when I pulled the statement of the author explicitly stating the entirety of the world could turn against them and still couldn't win. Or the fact the tomb stomped a group of 1500 entities on ainz level. Or when you heard they had several chandeliers that could wipe 20 level 100 players.
 
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Randomdude said:
Isn't the only reason stone/structures are that tough in the first place so players don't just break through walls/ignore dungeons?
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Essentially, yeah.

It really depends on how your DM would rule it, but like.. the normal math doesn't add up when we have giants that are capable of crashing apart stone walls in canon and characters can block/parry their blows.
 
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Paxton said:
Essentially, yeah.

It really depends on how your DM would rule it, but like.. the normal math doesn't add up when we have giants that are capable of crashing apart stone walls in canon and characters can block/parry their blows.
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Yeah what I figured I imagine if they had realistic values vs player damage a lot of dungeon masters would get really annoyed, really fast
 
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Coronzon was going to blow up the universe with a super complex ritual that doesn't have anything to do with her own body or state, it doesn't scale to her in any way, shape or form.

It's unknown how or why Coronzon would survive the incomplete Ceremony, because it was stated the complete version would destroy her and it may have to do with the fact she was a bare soul at that point, you know, the explosion may simply have gone through her without causing damage, as far as we know.

Also, when did she ever launch a noticeable amount of Flaming Swords? Iirc the most we actually saw she doing was 2 in a row during the final battle, she definitely can't simply spam it like Mikoto spams Railguns for example, and that's without taking into account the fact using Flaming Sword makes her have to deal with the recoil and in this moment she becomes as defenseless as a normal human magician.
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:/

I love how T.K. (and then subsequently Dragnoir) keep spouting this headcanon of Aleister forgetting to use Spiritual Tripping (or even outright be unable to, for some inexplicable reason) when he literally does so against Coronzon.
 
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Randomdude said:
I mean I thought you figured this out when I pulled the statement of the author explicitly stating the entirety of the world could turn against them and still couldn't win. Or the fact the tomb stomped a group of 1500 entities on ainz level. Or when you heard they had several chandeliers that could wipe 20 level 100 players.
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I actually forgot most of that but it only just further proves the wanking Overlord gets is honestly extremely exaggerated, not helped by the usual suspects never read their own series either.
 
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Randomdude said:
Fair I never made such a claim.

I mean I thought you figured this out when I pulled the statement of the author explicitly stating the entirety of the world could turn against them and still couldn't win. Or the fact the tomb stomped a group of 1500 entities on ainz level. Or when you heard they had several chandeliers that could wipe 20 level 100 players.
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Wait, really? :tupac
 
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Astaro said:
It’s literally transferring her power to a target to destroy it.

At her full power, she can use it to reach and destroy the Pure World universe entirely

After being crippled of most of her power, she still had enough juice for the spell to blow up half of this universe instead
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And it's specifically noted that Coronzon supplies that much POWER to that ritual (even calling her out as a higher being or w/e because of it, although that might've been the Queen Brittania barrier I'm thinking of, I don't recall the exact quote), proving she does in fact scale to it, at least somewhat.


Planet level nerfed MGs may very well another be misconception to go over in the respect thread I'm ngl.
 
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Paxton said:
Wait, really? :tupac
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Correction twelve people my bad
From overlord volume 1 page 27:
The four-colored crystal lamps on the ceiling were a type of monster, and the moment an enemy entered their range, they would summon high-ranking elementals of earth, water, wind, and fire, in addition to bombarding them with area-of-effect attack magic.

If these crystal lamps all attacked at once, the firepower they unleashed could easily defeat two parties of level one hundred Players, which would be roughly twelve people.
 
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Adamant soul said:
Absolutely not. :really

Harry Potter is one of the few verses Frieren genuinely does stomp the piss out of, hell none of them have an answer to Fern's beam spam.
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Like none of this shit makes sense to me at all...
So they believe that Frieren and Fern can defeat Shirou and Rin, Ubel can defeat Gojo and Frieren can defeat multiple people beyond anyone in HP's territory... but they somehow lose to HP?

Like goddamn, how they scale franchises in the moment make absolutely no sense.
 
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Even needing Servants is like, genuinely insulting to the rest of the verse.

Send a combat-capable Magi and most of the school, at worst, falls right down in due time. Nasu has already compared those at the very top of combat capability to the military of a small nation.

We literally saw one person from one of the 6 big families of Atlas, the alchemist dudes that make cool weapons they can never take out, bring out not a single Atlas weapon when confronting El-Melloi and his allies. She controls her bones into a hardy and flexible material that can be made into animal-like familiars, her main one an ape-like 2-meter humanoid called Tangere or to coat and mend an old chinese ship from like centuries ago until it can go through the water again, and both her and Tangere can see seconds ahead due to the Atlas techniques to accelerate and calculate data. Not only a rocket launcher from some pirates helping El-Melloi and friends make not a single scratch on the bone material of the ship when Gray checks with her enhanced eyes, when she uses Rhongo to destroy the ship, narration outright describes the amount of magical energy could wipe a small island off the maps. Latio still successfully uses her enhanced analytical skills and future seeing to turn the ship's bone hull parts into essentially shaped armor, calculating how much of the ship she can allow taking damage and how to best divert away the rest of it so the 100-meter ship is still barely operational and able to move after the blast, despite having a massive chunk torn off after even her best efforts.

There's not a single thing I can think of any mage, except the greats like Dumbledore or Voldemort, doing that was even fractionally comparable to dealing with that amount of energy and not being wiped off the face of the earth. Sure, Latio is from a big family from an important group which is Atlas... but she's still working essentially solo, with not a single piece of Atlas tech on her.
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I remember that this is a thing that people agreed upon and further showed that Harry Potter wasn't a match for even a decent Mage and I remember there was a ridiculous topic where they believe HP Wizards can deal with the Clock Tower... by casting Fiendfyre and apparaiting out of it as if that was a strategy they ever employed, has done so casually and that somehow there's no way for Nasuverse Mages to stop it despite Fantastic Beasts showing there's a way to stop the spell for far less.
 
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OtherGalaxy said:
there’s some very weird conditional stuff regarding D’s status as even universe level iirc
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His energy absorption is galaxy level IIRC. D absorbed a forcefield powered by the milky way’s rotation or something. Gist of his feats below:

Remo Williams (The Destroyer) vs. D (Vampire Hunter D)

There will be two rounds. One where Remo Williams has access to his mantra and by extension Shiva, and another one where he does not. They both have their standard equipment. The fight happens in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. They're both bloodlusted, and the winning condition is either death or...
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universe level seems suspect though as seen here

(Hellsing) Alucard Vs D (Vampire Hunter D)

Who Win?
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D still stomps Yhwach though :tupac
 
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You can't even really use this, since the series doesn't even work on linear scaling, this isn't about powerlevels

The only reason Coronzon is even more powerful than Aiwass is because she has a vessel. The rest? She was defeated by the thing within the right hand, and she doesn't have any feats whatsoever to think she can defeat Holy Right, since holy right have specific hax she has not been shown to get through. Remember what kamachi said, rock paper scissors, the series works off of compatibility, not powerlevels.
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muh rock paper scissors analogy to try and argue that Fiamma would beat Coronzon


ignoring that Coronzon EXPLICITLY has immunity to hax which the Holy Right falls under (as it's sourced from archangel Michael, a similar being to Coronzon, but falls under the Aeon of Isis)
 
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