Who is the strongest character that Nerevarine (The Elder Scrolls) can beat in Toaru?

This is how the Nerevarine makes his entrance to Toaru universe (because why not).


This is Nerevarine at his most powerful.
Any Toaru character are at their most powerful.
The Nerevarine or any Toaru character had full knowledge of each other.
 

Vespa Crabro

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Astaro

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Well screw it, might as well give my thoughts. Based on the profile pic, he stalemates against a Magic God

Clears most of the verse, but loses to the Top tiers through sheer numbers
 
Here is a thing about protagonists that start out as Prisoners. The Prisoner is described as being a powerful mythic figure, and a loophole in time.

How does one eat the world? (2011-01-18)

When you consider a place like Tamriel, sometimes it's best to take titles literally. Alduin is the World-Eater. It's not going to be "the end of all life as we know it," leaving a barren wasteland of Earthbone dirt... it's going to be the whole of Nirn inside his mighty gullet.

"None shall survive" has been a calling card for awhile, but that was only a hint to the more extensive "Nothing will survive."

Unless, of course, there's a loophole. Say, something like the someone called the Dovakhiin happening to show up..."born under uncertain stars to uncertain parents." (An aside for extra credit: what in the Aurbis makes the Prisoner such a powerful mythic figure?)

Sotha Sil discusses the concept of the Prisoner, referring to the Vestige using this title. He portrays the Prisoner as someone capable of discerning the chains of causality and time that entrap all beings within the Godhead's dream, while also recognizing the exit that allows their liberation. Inherently, the Prisoner possesses the power to liberate the world.

Furthermore, Sotha Sil asserts that the Prisoner possesses 'great power, making reality of metaphor,' a phrase commonly associated with the essence of Tonal Magic. Other similar expressions include 'myth made manifest' and 'metaphor made manifest.' As detailed in the section on Thu'um, Tones form an essential element that permeates all of reality, with Tonal Magic being their manipulation. He implies that the Prisoner, as a concept, can modify the fundamental tones of the Aurbis, most likely through their actions.

"I have preparations to make outside my Clockwork realm. You must stay vigilant. Take heed of any Daedric incursions and stand ready to fight.

The Prisoner wields great power, making reality of metaphor. We will need you before the end."

Why do you keep calling me the Prisoner?

"A fool's hope, perhaps. I should explain.

Look around you. All of this exists because it must exist. I stand here, in this place, in this moment, not because I wish to, but because I have to. A result of action and consequence."

So wouldn't that make you the prisoner?

"Clever... but incorrect.

The Prisoner must apprehend two critical insights. First, they must face the reality of their imprisonment. They must see the determinative walls - the chains of causality that bind them to their course."

You haven't done that?

"I have. But I fall short of the second insight.

The Prisoner must see the door to their cell. They must gaze through the bars and perceive that which exists beyond causality. Beyond time. Only then can they escape."

You don't see the door?

"I see only unsteady walls.

If the people of Tamriel must exist inside this cell. I will make sure that the walls are stable, the gaps are sealed, and all who remain stay safe within it."

I have no other questions.

"I've met few heroes like you. Very few. I take this matter of the Triad upon myself, but in truth, you may be the one that saves us. The Prisoner who frees the world. We shall see. Farewell."

The Vestige is described in their quest as a 'wound in time,' a paradoxical entity that should not exist, and a being existing outside all possipoints.

"It is good to see you again. And I do see you, in my own way. You are a wound in time, a tear in reality that shouldn't exist and cannot long endure."

"Beginning entity analysis. Error. Entity exists outside known possipoints. Transitioning to general reception array. Hello."

The Nerevarine's status as a Prisoner is characterized by their birth under uncertain stars and to uncertain parents, manifesting as either male or female with a constantly changing appearance. This attribute becomes particularly significant during Landfall, where they are described as 'quantum-vibrating' too rapidly to determine their race.

Though stark-born to sire uncertain,
His aspect marks his certain fate.
Wicked stalk him, righteous curse him.
Prophets speak, but all deny.

On a certain day to uncertain parents
Incarnate moon and star reborn.

'The ruling king is to stand against me and then before me. He is to learn from my punishment. I will mark him to know. He is to come as male or female. I am the form he must acquire.

PIC 1: Through the breach, the gigantic form of Akulakhan looks down at all of us, unreadable hope in its eyes. Its third eye is open, with the barely discernable head of the Nerevarine serving as its pilot, the gender and race either indistinct or, if you prefer to render it this way: simply just "quantum-vibrating" too fast to tell.

The Prisoner's freedom from the chains of time and predetermination is supported by numerous statements that describe the nature of Heroes, highlighting how they forge their own paths in the Elder Scrolls. The Hero is necessary for the ‘moment’ to occur, for they are the ones who ultimately cause it and fix it in time.

Each event is preceded by Prophecy. But without the hero, there is no Event.

Moth Sister Arminus, it has been said that the Elder Scrolls can pierce the veil of Time, that they contain the prophecies of every major event on Nirn. To my knowledge, there must also be a hero to meet each of those events. I wonder, then, as someone who has studied the Scrolls, do you know if the hero—or their soul—is bound to the Elder Scrolls? Is this hero as constant as the events and prophecies foretold by the Scrolls?
Many speak of 'heroes' as if they were born great and the key roles of history were fated to be enacted by them. But is that so? A careful study of the Scrolls leads me to believe that no mortal is 'born great,' but that a person becomes a Hero by making choices and taking actions other mortals refuse. The Scrolls do not select such people, but they do record and reflect their actions, and note the difference made thereby.

‘When you wake up, I will still listen. I'm sorry I left, but hey, I'm still right up here. And my mnemoli? They show up every now and then, and collect all the songs you've made since the last time around. The last real moment.’ The Mnemoli? They're the keepers of the Elder Scrolls. They cannot be fixed until seen. And they cannot be seen until a moment. And you, your Hero, makes that moment.”

A deeper meaning is meant, too, but not very many laymen bother with that. Until a prophecy is fulfilled, the true contents of an Elder Scroll are malleable, hazy, uncertain. Only by the Hero's action does it become True. The Hero is literally the scribe of the next Elder Scroll, the one in which the prophecy has been fulfilled into a fixed point, negating its precursor.

tldr: The Prisoner is a unique entity unbound by causality or linear time, embodying all races and classes and performing all actions at once. They shape the Aurbis by contributing to its fundamental tones and play a crucial role in authoring the Elder Scrolls and defining events within time.
 

Astaro

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For being unbound by causality. you got St. Germain who after all their boasting, came up short to a Magic God whose unbound by causality

"Before wondering about my credibility, you wondered how I knew about those hundreds of billions of hells you experienced, didn't you? Well, I understand. I am neither a magician nor a Magic God. But don't you dare say that the category of St. Germain is somehow inferior to that of the Magic God. No matter how perfect and happy a world the Magic Gods try to create, I will always occur at some point, regardless of the possibilities or environment involved. I am a being that transcends causality and the phases."

Technically Othinus alone transcends the verse which my Respect thread shows she alone is Multiversal+ (Manipulated a multiverse with as many universes and dimensions as what can be counted in whole numbers which is basically infinite)

If Nerevarine gets by her, there’s the other Magic Gods each infinitely above her, Coronzon, CRC, Alice and Dragon Strike Touma are debately the strongest in the verse so far, etc.

Nerevarine gets far by can’t clear the verse based on the re-evaluations so stalemates or beats Othinus, Coronzon, and the Tangram if we throw in crossovers
 
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seth

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For being unbound by causality. you got St. Germain who after all their boasting, came up short to a Magic God whose unbound by causality



Technically Othinus alone transcends the verse which my Respect thread shows she alone is Multiversal+ (Manipulated a multiverse with as many universes and dimensions as what can be counted in whole numbers which is basically infinite)

If Nerevarine gets by her, there’s the other Magic Gods each infinitely above her, Coronzon, CRC, Alice and Dragon Strike Touma are debately the strongest in the verse so far, etc.

Nerevarine gets far by can’t clear the verse based on the re-evaluations so stalemates or beats Othinus, Coronzon, and the Tangram if we throw in crossovers
the prisoner is much higher in scope that that since it is free from the chains of fates in the dream which is above multiversal even multiversal guys like sotha is still bound by it
 

OtherGalaxy

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that profile for Nerevar should technically be a lowball

These feats for Numidium are way above multiversal+ any way you slice it
I’m sure Galo has more direct sources but here was a summary he gave me in an old thread
 

Astaro

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the prisoner is much higher in scope that that since it is free from the chains of fates in the dream which is above multiversal even multiversal guys like sotha is still bound by it
So like Magic Gods as mentioned before, which are above their own multiverse.

Besides, even if we talk about omnipotence, it's ultimately only the level of omnipotence created by human imagination. Don't expect the kind of omnipotence that truly transcends dimensions, like that of a MagicGod."
 

Masterblack06

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@Astaro What the Numidium did was like if someone rolled up to every single magic god all at once, and almost killed all of them just by believing they didnt exist so hard and saying the one word. "No"

And the Nerevarine managed to hold this nigga back long enough for the dwemer to get the fuck outta dodge before dying.
 

Masterblack06

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AND THE NUMIDIUM DOESNT EVEN FUCKING EXIST BECAUSE IT REFUTED ITSELF FROM EXISTENCE. The Nerevarine was fighting a nigga that didnt even EXIST
 

Cryso Agori

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So like Magic Gods as mentioned before, which are above their own multiverse.

Wouldn't transcending their own multiverse...still only be multiversal?

Cause to be multiversal would need to be able to transcend/destroy a multiverse already. That just seems like a buzzword.
 

Astaro

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@Astaro What the Numidium did was like if someone rolled up to every single magic god all at once, and almost killed all of them just by believing they didnt exist so hard and saying the one word. "No"

And the Nerevarine managed to hold this nigga back long enough for the dwemer to get the fuck outta dodge before dying.

AND THE NUMIDIUM DOESNT EVEN FUCKING EXIST BECAUSE IT REFUTED ITSELF FROM EXISTENCE. The Nerevarine was fighting a nigga that didnt even EXIST
I know about being Zero Summed

You got characters like CRC who can phase themselves in and out of existence and Touma still hitting them regardless. Plus characters like St. Germain that likewise can come back from being erased due to their acausal nature that I already posted

In the Rosicrucian cabal, clouds were an important symbol of covering up wisdom and truth to prevent the unworthy from viewing it. Inside that cloud, no attack could hit him even if made from 0cm away. The entire space could be filled with a dense scattershot, but it would be as useless as trying to attack a cat that may or may not be there because no one could observe it.

Kamijou swept the dragon horizontally to tear the thick cloud apart in an instant and then the color red sprayed out.

The cloud didn’t matter at all.

The dragon released its breath.

It looked like a sharp purple-shining blade, but was that actually the poison stored in an evil dragon’s body being released at extreme pressure?

The box was shredded, the cat was forced out to establish its existence, and then it was killed.

Wouldn't transcending their own multiverse...still only be multiversal?

Cause to be multiversal would need to be able to transcend/destroy a multiverse already. That just seems like a buzzword.
Literally what I’m hearing for Nerwvarine, so I brought up a similar statement
 

Masterblack06

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I know about being Zero Summed

You got characters like CRC who can phase themselves in and out of existence and Touma still hitting them regardless. Plus characters like St. Germain that likewise can come back from being erased due to their acausal nature that I already posted
No this isnt just normal Existence Erasure. This is "You realize your in a story and because you did you now dont exist within this story anymore"

I don't think a single Magic God has dealt with nor came back from someone removing them from their story. Even niggas in elder scrolls like Vivec and Talos who realized they were in a story and achieved chim because of it got bopped by this man. Hell there isnt a single person in To Aru, based on what you guys have posted, that have taken on the absolute god tiers, The Magic Gods, at their full might, all at once and then bopped them so casually that you reduced the strongest of them to a single weak worm while also absolutely buttfucking time across all of existence.
 

Astaro

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No this isnt just normal Existence Erasure. This is "You realize your in a story and because you did you now dont exist within this story anymore"

I don't think a single Magic God has dealt with nor came back from someone removing them from their story. Even niggas in elder scrolls like Vivec and Talos who realized they were in a story and achieved chim because of it got bopped by this man. Hell there isnt a single person in To Aru, based on what you guys have posted, that have taken on the absolute god tiers, The Magic Gods, at their full might, all at once and then bopped them so casually that you reduced the strongest of them to a single weak worm while also absolutely buttfucking time across all of existence.
Existence erasure with some fourth wall breaking basically
 
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