Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

shiny said:

Oh, they've already found a new excuse, like there were hills there anyway. This means surface-level Caladbolg.

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And they wonder why no one takes them seriously

Like you can keep shit to F/SN scaling only but this:



And this:



Happened. You cannot argue that somehow that Caladbolg II, something that was only stated to have been made slicker and only a rank lower than Caladbolg, cannot do the same level of damage despite being ranked due to the Broken Phantasm... because it didn't do the exact same level of damage.
Especially when what you are trying to argue it against is fucking BLEACH! The franchise that follows Dragonball Z in having it's shit never even touch the same highs in power as shit that happened in the Arrancar Saga.

Again, fucking clownshoes site and clownshoes users.

Bleach in actual DC showings is below Naruto , One Piece and Fairy Tail (shonens from the same era)

Tablos said:

Bleach in actual DC showings is below Naruto , One Piece and Fairy Tail (shonens from the same era)

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It's not even just that, Bleach's speed showings are absolute dogshit. There's a reason for the longest time we have Bleach at Mach 29+ and for the life of me, I nor others could ever genuinely contend with it in any fashion because Bleach absolutely sucks at actually giving us an idea of how fast characters are... and the Mach 29+ is literally based on a Bleach Databook of all things!

We only FINALLY got something in the Final Arc for speed feats... and that's just for a grand total... of 3 people who scale to it.

Every other feat is either wanked out the ass, forcefully hyperscaled with no genuine numbers attached to it(Hello Demon Slayer) or is the exact same "No, I'm behind you" shit that we are supposed to suddenly believes make a character faster than the others when everyone can react to them just fine.

Spacebattles loves saying that Nasuverse is genuinely difficult to put in a VS. debate... but no one's surprise, that's false as shit. The real difficult series to do it is genuinely Bleach, @Adamant soul can agree with me on that front.

EDIT: Just another aside, it's funny how SB LOVES going with "Flowery Language" for the stuff in the Nasuverse... when that shit is just a cover for them denying shit because they can't get away with stating Purple Prose anymore... so they instead just state another word for Purple Prose instead...

Because when I hear Purple Prose or "Flowery Language", I genuinely think of Yhwach's The Almighty, Haschwalth's The Balance or most of the Schrifts of the Sternritters in not just what they can do, but how little is explained yet they wax bullshit about how far it goes. I don't think of Kinoku Nasu who has some of the most basic explanations of an ability or a scene that barely is stretched for more than a fucking sentence unless you are counting exposition... which isn't purple prose or "flowery language".

The problem with SB is that they still think that Nasuland has the same stats from the og VN and LN and only focus in low ends , because there are some few statements of Light speed in FSN and Zero but they say ''is not valid because blah blah'' or even in the og Tsukihime there is a RM with statements of having continental durability and Arcueid also has light speed attacks (Kagetsu Tohya)

Tablos said:

The problem with SB is that they still think that Nasuland has the same stats from the og VN and LN and only focus in low ends , because there are some few statements of Light speed in FSN and Zero but they say ''is not valid because blah blah'' or even in the og Tsukihime there is a RM with statements of having continental durability and Arcueid also has light speed attacks (Kagetsu Tohya)

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Nah, real talk, niggas are just salty that the series they only seen from the Anime and Manga(and avoided paying attention to any details), they could have RWBY spank most of the roster) could now suddenly basically destroy alot of series all along.
The worst part when I was there it was nowhere near as bad as this, people could actually accept it without going full retard, only Bleach fanboys and otherwise consistently bitched about it and most of the people who downplayed it actually did back it up.

But of course as SB got worse and worse, basically their ability to also debate did too. It's not even the Nasuverse, look at how they do Naruto, HOLY SHIT. To believe Mahoraga can defeat Sage Juugo? The main who can basically fire out particle cannons on A? Fuck no. Because they fundamentally misunderstand how Mahoraga's Adaptation works. Look at how stupid they wank Demons or Ashura in DS or Worm or any of these other franchises they nuthug vs. the ones they shit on.
No consistency and no irony at all.

Masterblack06 said:

And thats cool, they dont have similar feats to compare to what Iceman has done. And no its not "proven." it was a statement made by the narration about a character doing something "if the conditions were right." Thats not a feat in any sense of the word, its literally someone saying something about something someone could do but no one ever actually did it.

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Conditions are right because her powers need another living being (Kakine) as a reference to terraform a piece of reality into an environment

Masterblack06 said:

"Space-Time freezes at the quantum level" was the line. Imma need you to explain to me how thats flowery.

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That isn’t. You arguing this “freezing reality” and treating it as more then it is is what I was referring to.

Masterblack06 said:

It’s not moot at all. Unless you’re attempting to say that Misaka firing her railgun is on the same level as freezing space-time.

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Good thing it’s not Misaka we’re talking about.

Masterblack06 said:

As stated above, Thats not a feat

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It is when it’s explaining the level her power works on.

Masterblack06 said:

Why do you think Hax cares about biggatons?

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Only when it works for you apparently

Masterblack06 said:

Thats about as much as you've posted in regards to this character

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Hm… nah. I’ve explained pretty well that 1) what Iceman does is nothing special since Esper powers work on quantum physics by default 2) his ice isn’t going to do squat in getting past the Beginning Child’s power

And that’s with acknowledging his few high ends and ignoring how subpar his performance and powers more consistently are.

Astaro said:

Conditions are right because her powers need another living being (Kakine) as a reference to terraform a piece of reality into an environment

That isn’t. You arguing this “freezing reality” and treating it as more then it is is what I was referring to.

Good thing it’s not Misaka we’re talking about.

It is when it’s explaining the level her power works on.

Only when it works for you apparently

Hm… nah. I’ve explained pretty well that 1) what Iceman does is nothing special since Esper powers work on quantum physics by default 2) his ice isn’t going to do squat in getting past the Beginning Child’s power

And that’s with acknowledging his few high ends and ignoring how subpar his performance and powers more consistently are.

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This is starting to border on bad faith debating tbh

Iceman's powers have worked on characters more powerful and with better feats than you are describing. Your opinion on "terrible comic book scaling" is irrelevant.

Also even if esper powers work the same way his do, all that does is turn it into a contest over whose better at it so it loops right back around to the above.

Iceman is a comic character with like sixty odd years of showings, this was never a winnable fight

He froze Oblivion once @OtherGalaxy

Paxton said:

He froze Oblivion once @OtherGalaxy

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That's unironically better for the character than a narrative statement about something that never actually happens

No reason to believe the narration is lying

Paxton said:

He froze Oblivion once @OtherGalaxy

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CrossTheHorizon said:

This is starting to border on bad faith debating tbh

Iceman's powers have worked on characters more powerful and with better feats than you are describing. Your opinion on "terrible comic book scaling" is irrelevant.

Also even if esper powers work the same way his do, all that does is turn it into a contest over whose better at it so it loops right back around to the above.

Iceman is a comic character with like sixty odd years of showings, this was never a winnable fight

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Citation needed for his powers working on someone above the Big Bang that isn’t just shit writing ignoring his own actual feats and scope of power

Paxton said:

No reason to believe the narration is lying

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No reason to believe Iceman didn't do the thing that he did :zaru

Astaro said:

Citation needed for his powers working on someone above the Big Bang that isn’t just shit writing

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Yeah, see, that's not a thing. You don't get to dismiss stuff that happened because you don't like it.

If we could disqualify feats on "shit writing" Toaru wouldn't have any

CrossTheHorizon said:

No reason to believe Iceman didn't do the thing that he did :zaru



Yeah, see, that's not a thing. You don't get to dismiss stuff that happened because you don't like it.

If we could disqualify feats on "shit writing" Toaru wouldn't have any

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Good. Concession Accepted

CrossTheHorizon said:

No reason to believe Iceman didn't do the thing that he did :zaru



Yeah, see, that's not a thing. You don't get to dismiss stuff that happened because you don't like it.

If we could disqualify feats on "shit writing" Toaru wouldn't have any

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(hasn't read it)

Iceman struggles with dealing with a falling building or getting winded making a single ice golem smaller than a house.

Can’t dismiss those feats just because we don’t like them either

Astaro said:

Good. Concession Accepted

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See, this is why you lose every argument you start here. You bring shit up, someone tells you it doesn't work that way and why, and then you prance away from the burning wreckage of your argument declaring yourself the victor

I mean, it's the internet, you do you, but declaring yourself the winner of a debate when you've done nothing but convince everyone listening to your argument that you don't actually have an argument beyond "I want it to work this way" is perhaps a mite lacking in self-awareness

Paxton said:

(hasn't read it)

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I read the first 30 odd books, nothing I saw changed my opinion