Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

OtherGalaxy · May 8, 2024

Qinglong said:
My memory must be worse than I thought, because I thought the in character reason Dio doesn't use most of them is because he deems them irrelevant compared to his stand power

but if you told me Araki forgot it could be bullshit but I'd believe it

tbh I think all of them have some explanation with the exception of SRSE
-blood freeze=can't use that because he can't touch Joseph due to Hamon , and can't touch Jotaro even in time-freeze because SP will get him.
-flesh buds aren't going to do anything to Joseph or Jotaro either, they might have worked again on Kakyoin but the latter was keeping his distance, and Dio could stop time for far shorter at the beginning of the fight. Polnareff sneak attacked him and Star Platinum jumped him right after, so again no real opening to use either of these.

SRSE is the odd one out as there is at least one solid chance to use it, when Jotaro feigned heart failure. He uses his other Vampire powers so Araki forgetting this one or not wanting to use it seems like the case.

Astaro · May 8, 2024

Paxton · May 8, 2024

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/the-rensas-to-aru-vs-the-shibas-tatsuya-maya-and-miyuki-mahouka.1162017/

"Interpreting meteor stream as light speed is remarkably dubious. Toaru has loads of similar dubious light speed feats even by people slower than Rensa (such as Misaka's light speed lightning or Kanzaki cutting dragon's breath)."

"This however isn't as it came from Karachi believing lightning to be as fast as light, and Kamachi ended up dropping it as a description for her lightning spear as a whole."

Javik said:
Accelerator is considerably faster than saints and from what I remember Rensa scales to that when using vector manipulation.

"No he isn't, he's stronger but they are definitely in the same speed ballpark"

@Astaro

Astaro · May 8, 2024

I’m just wondering why there’s two Rensas

There’s a single machine body shared by the numbered Rensas which are basically human hypothalamus and regularly switch control.

Paxton · May 8, 2024

"Those are laser units for attacking an enemy from multiple angles at once," said Kameyama, the enemy pilot, as the HsF-00 spun around and the small weapons flew around like morning stars.
His words were oozing with an obvious sense of leeway and contempt.
"You can't escape from something moving at the speed of light. Prepare yourself, young lady, because I'm going to gently shoot you down.""

- OT20

Wtf is dubious about this?

This is brought up as well in late NT with Kamisato vs Noukan (where he reacts to laser-based weaponry and somehow puts a shadow over a laser) and in GT with Aradia dancing around said lasers in the sky.

And then there's Misaka, who can attack with electromagnetic pulses (Salome dances around all of her shit with ease) and a girl in Astral Buddy who literally uses a flashlight to attack (her ability lets her control light and soundwaves and such).

Light-speed attacks being reacted to by mid tiers (well, Aradia is hardly mid tier, but you get the point) is extremely consistent.

Xhominid The Apex · May 8, 2024

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/sakura-haruno-naruto-runs-a-jjk-hand-to-hand-gauntlet.1162050/

Prime Sakura

So a gauntlet where she casually murders the entire verse?

Nobara

Miwa

Mei Mei

Megumi

Todo

Hanami

Nanami

Kashimo

Mahito (no offensive idle transfiguration, but can use it to maintain his soul's shape and make his limbs bigger)

Yuta

Maki

Yuki (can use her Mass, but no black hole)

Current Yuji

Gojo

Heian Era Sukuna

Yep

I should have mentioned. Sakura can't use summons.

Like that will actually change ANYTHING about this being a Death Star vs. Coughing Baby level stomp.

Hmm. I could have sworn CE reinforcement and RCT would be enough for at least the God Tiers to compete with her.

What if I added anime strength feats and scaling? Would that change anything?

In what Universe has CE Reinforcement and RCT has shown ANYTHING to be put on the level of Sage Mode? Let alone Byakugou and the bullshit Tsunade and Sakura does? Come back to us when you have characters throwing around skyscrapers with sheer strength casually amongst other bullshit.

Claudio Swiss · May 8, 2024

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Astaro · May 8, 2024

Kratos and Asura vs Dante and Bayonetta - Battles - Comic Vine

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Basically Kratos vs Dante? Coz Asura and Bayonetta would die from the shockwaves of the clash between these two.

OT: Can go either way depending on ho you argue things around.

Imagine saying this fully seriously

And from MaulSmacker, tied with thenamelessone for biggest Kratos dickrider on CV

Quiet the Opposite, everyone else here have superior narrative and feats/scaling to him, he can only win in big boom visuals imo.

What a nice way of saying Kratos sucks in feats and requires a bunch of hyperbolic lore writing and purple prose taken seriously to even stand up to Asura or Bayonetta

@Adamant soul

:hestonpls

CV really has gone downhill since KMC and Lounge rejects overtook it

Xhominid The Apex · May 8, 2024

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/saber-alter-fate-vs-this-jujutsu-kaisen-team-jjk.1161963/?post=101253138#post-101253138

Distorting and cutting space are two different things

In the grand scheme of things, no they aren't. Hell, that's not even how World Dismantle works as it was more just teleported into the space Gojo was in rather than cut through Infinity itself. Every other World Dismantle was no different than the usual Dismantle.

and I don't see why distorting space gets past infinity. Literally, everything distorts space. It's just normally, it would take a celestial object to distort space enough for use notice.

"It would take a Celestial Object to distort space enough for us to notice"

Cu very obviously distorts Space right infront of EMIYA just charging his NP

Here, Gae Bolg's power distorts space as Cu readies to throw it.

Seriously, not helping your point there...

Hell, distorting space enough for us to notice doesn't even affect matter all that much besides moving light (I watch science videos/shows for this like "How The universe Works") two stellar-mass blacks holes merging release more energy in the form of distorting space than all the energy of every star in the universe and super-massive ones are millions of times stronger, yet it doesn't affect matter too much.

What does ANY OF THIS have to do with believing that distorting space means it wouldn't be able to bypass Infinity?

Yet a Gramma ray burst, which should be way weaker, can punch galaxy-sized holes in space (voids in space that have barely any matter) and create galaxy-sized structures.

mmm, I wonder why a Gamma Ray Burst can do far more destructive damage than 2 Stellar Black Holes merging together...

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/saber-alter-fate-vs-this-jujutsu-kaisen-team-jjk.1161963/?post=101254599#post-101254599

I have a question regarding Magic Resistance, why would it work on CT?

The funny answer would be: Why wouldn't Magic Resistance work against CT?
The truthful answer would be: Curses exists in the Nasuverse too and Magic Resistance can shut them down.
The Chad answer would be: Why the hell would Cursed Techniques be a factor in the first place? Most of the time, they are completely unrefined, tend to backfire and Gege does a horrible job explaining how even the basic system works(Which is why Binding Vows are such a meme even to the JJK Fandom).

As far as I'm aware Jujustu isn't Magecraft, otherwise if Magic Resistance would work on any types of Magic-like power system then It would work on everything else such as Ninjustu, Kido etc. and I don't see it being brought up in those VS Threads.

Actually trying to act like Jujutsu isn't just Curses being lobbed at fuckers for combat like Nasuverse don't have an entire section of Magecraft dedicated to Curses is never not funny to me.

Xhominid The Apex · May 8, 2024

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/saber-alter-fate-vs-this-jujutsu-kaisen-team-jjk.1161963/page-2?post=101254941#post-101254941

Mind, there's been several debates on this and not everyone agrees that Rule 13 causes an equalization. Most people just assume that an equalization occurs in matches like these and have done so pretty commonly.

Yes Imaginary, we call that double standards because that's exactly what you guys love to do with Rule 13 ALOT.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/saber-alter-fate-vs-this-jujutsu-kaisen-team-jjk.1161963/page-2?post=101255157#post-101255157

Giving it some thought, you likely need an attack that cuts space to get through infinity not just a space warp. Black flash warps space as a side effect, but it typically isn't presented as something that just bypasses infinity.

1. Gojo was never hit by a Black Flash in canon as far as we have seen.
2. When has Black Flash ever been stated to warp space?
3. That's most definitively an outlier just like how Gege believed that Black Flash's should be given exponents only to back off because he didn't know how ridiculous exponents can get(Which hilariously, would know JJK several platforms down in strength unironically).

I'd answer that by pointing out that Excalibur isn't EA.

Extreme copout. You are the one trying to act like all hax is equal. Are you stating that Black Flash can deal with Excalibur by believing that Enuma Elish cannot bypass Limitless due to needing to CUT Space rather than DISTORT Space to hurt Gojo?

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/saber-alter-fate-vs-this-jujutsu-kaisen-team-jjk.1161963/page-2?post=101255409#post-101255409

True.
Well, to be specific, last time I had this debate, the idea was that R13 doesn't cause equalization but equalizing concepts could still be argued as a logical thing to do.

Like, I'd personally say equalizing curses specifically between these two forces would make the most sense, since they're both powered by negative emotions.

As an aside, One could argue Gojo could 'react' to Cybele. Assuming it works like other Mystic Eyes, It still fires magical energy, it's just not visible to humans. But whatever.

Tell that to the nigga's corpse from the World Dismantle he should have saw coming and dodged :risigif

But real talk, Servants can also see and sense Magical Energy, EMIYA was right infront of Medusa and failed to dodge it, are we pretending Gojo can now?

AcidSoup · May 8, 2024

Claudio Swiss said:
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“VSBW! Your daughter has returned! I bring the destruction of God of War!” Don’t take the title and intro too seriously, they’re just silly little jokes. Throughout the past few weeks, I’ve been extensively researching God of War and have come to the conclusion that the verse - in both hax and...

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Funnily, what the same poster witnessed earlier:

Xhominid The Apex · May 8, 2024

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/saber-alter-fate-vs-this-jujutsu-kaisen-team-jjk.1161963/page-2?post=101256054#post-101256054

That would be on you to prove then, no? Jujutsu Kaisen does have other space affecting attacks, all of them aren't said or implied to bypass Infinity.

You need to prove that this space cutting attack can affect Infinity when these other "Space Affecting" attacks that never affected Infinity in any way can when they can't

What childish argument is this? You might as well go all in and be like "If this sure hit attack can do nothing against Gojo, then why should any sure hit attack do so" or hell go even further and be like "If not even Malevolent Shrine can kill Gojo, why should a Kamehameha from Goku?".

Black Flash has never made contact with Limitless a single time in canon(Which is the entire point of what people are telling you considering if Limitless can stop weaker people from hitting him at all, how can they feasibly get into the zone to hit him with a Black Flash from the start?) and we'll get to the next one in a bit.

No he's right, he understood what I typed. Instead of beating around the bush, would all of them bypass infinity if Gojo fought Yuji right now and Yuji did 7 black flashes back to back?

You are the one who literally stated that Black Flash can "distort space" and it "can't punch through Limitless", others are stating Black Flash was never in that situation to see if that's the case. You are doing a textbook Fallacy to then believe that if Black Flash(and another ability) can't do it despite never being shown to interact, Enuma Elish cannot.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/saber-alter-fate-vs-this-jujutsu-kaisen-team-jjk.1161963/page-2?post=101256204#post-101256204

Sky Manipulation is a CT that deals with Space yet it has never once been mentioned in any way to be able to counter infinity.

And HERE WE GO! An ability a character has that has never interacted with Gojo ONCE has never been stated to be a weakness to Limitless, despite that not even being remotely relevant when she was around means that somehow, someway, Sky Manipulation cannot counter Limitless...

JJK fanboys are a whole ass new breed of stupid.

Plus If I understand the World cutting slash correctly, it doesn't even interact with infinity but circumvents it be cutting the very space Gojo is in.

Wow, guy finally used his brain... it's just too bad that was only for the Binding Vow version of World Dismantle, meaning we can't even legit tell if the "spammable" versions can actually cut through Limitless either...

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/saber-alter-fate-vs-this-jujutsu-kaisen-team-jjk.1161963/page-2?post=101256312#post-101256312

Why would blocking a space-cutting attack mean you can also cut space if your weapon is not said to be a space-cutting weapon?

I know it's hard for an SB'er to do this but it's called critical thinking, use it sometime...
If an attack can block an esoteric attack despite it not being an esoteric attack... maybe it's strong enough to be able to overpower said esoteric attack? Just a crazy thought.

Your question is vague,

His question was straightforward and obvious as fuck.

Maki can destroy a pocket dimension (domain expansion) but that doesn't mean she can cut through infinity.

No, Maki can destroy a Domain Expansion because Heavenly Restriction Users literally say fuck off to most of the rules of Jujutsu Kaisen. This is not a distinction without a difference.

Sukuna's hand can block the sky manipulation CT but Sukuna's bare hand can't just bypass infinity unless he's doing a domain amp.

Maybe... it's due to how Limitless works or something?

Nah, can't be that, it's somehow "Muh Spatial Shit is stronger than yours". Reading Comprehension is a lost art.

Astaro · May 8, 2024

Is this a new level of low for God of War debaters? - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine

Trying to canonise their fanfic novels via harassing a writer on Twitter

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When you literally write a shitty wanked fanfic novel and then harass the developers and writers of the series to acknowledge it as canon so God of War can be your overblown headcanon interpretation

Cryso Agori · May 8, 2024

Xhominid The Apex said:
When has Black Flash ever been stated to warp space?

It was during the fight with Hanami

Everything else you said is fine though.

Adamant soul · May 8, 2024

Astaro said:
Kratos and Asura vs Dante and Bayonetta - Battles - Comic Vine

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Imagine saying this fully seriously

And from MaulSmacker, tied with thenamelessone for biggest Kratos dickrider on CV

Yep two guys who can't even be argued to be planet level are going to kill Asura and Cereza in the crossfire of their fight? :mjgrin

This is despite the fact I can honestly say that one-shotting planet sized beings and punching something across the Solar System (feats that are already out of Dante and Kratos' league) are fucking bit feats for them? :heston

Whose getting killed in the crossfire again? :maybe

Astaro said:
What a nice way of saying Kratos sucks in feats and requires a bunch of hyperbolic lore writing and purple prose taken seriously to even stand up to Asura or Bayonetta

They still don't given Cereza at her peak (Cereza Origin, ie Bayo 3 version) is going toe to toe with a being who can snap three universes (at least one of which being a thousand times bigger than ours) out of existence instantly.

Dante and Kratos haven't got shit on that unless we take SMT for Dante.

Astaro said:
@Adamant soul

CV really has gone downhill since KMC and Lounge rejects overtook it

Clearly

Astaro · May 8, 2024

Adamant soul said:
Yep two guys who can't even be argued to be planet level are going to kill Asura and Cereza in the crossfire of their fight?

This is despite the fact I can honestly say that one-shotting planet sized beings and punching something across the Solar System (feats that are already out of Dante and Kratos' league) are fucking bit feats for them?

Whose getting killed in the crossfire again?

They still don't given Cereza at her peak (Cereza Origin, ie Bayo 3 version) is going toe to toe with a being who can snap three universes (at least one of which being a thousand times bigger than ours) out of existence instantly.

Dante and Kratos haven't got shit on that unless we take SMT for Dante.

Clearly

DMC and GOW fanboys be hyping up the most mid looking shit for feats

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Astaro · May 8, 2024

Fun fact. GoW threads on CV with anything outside their own setting is still banned

Current Temporary Banned Topics in the Battle Forum, as of Sept. 4, 2023 - Battles - Comic Vine

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The fanboys were so retarded with this shit, they achieved something not even the worst in years of HST, Dragon Ball, or Fate fanboys of the past could accomplish and got their entire series banned from virtually all possible discussion

For reference, even with the HST, the most they accomplished was getting Yhwach and Kaguya banned which has since been lifted no less

Mr.OMG · May 8, 2024

Astaro said:
Is this a new level of low for God of War debaters? - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine

Trying to canonise their fanfic novels via harassing a writer on Twitter

comicvine.gamespot.com

When you literally write a shitty wanked fanfic novel and then harass the developers and writers of the series to acknowledge it as canon so God of War can be your overblown headcanon interpretation

My glorious king Kratos, I knee
:Gigachadmoment:

Tablos · May 8, 2024

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/saber-alter-fate-vs-this-jujutsu-kaisen-team-jjk.1161963/page-3

Sullynathan is so high in the sperg spectrum that even The World is against him :jordangif

Salfarc · May 8, 2024

Xhominid The Apex said:
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/saber-alter-fate-vs-this-jujutsu-kaisen-team-jjk.1161963/page-2?post=101256054#post-101256054

What childish argument is this? You might as well go all in and be like "If this sure hit attack can do nothing against Gojo, then why should any sure hit attack do so" or hell go even further and be like "If not even Malevolent Shrine can kill Gojo, why should a Kamehameha from Goku?".

Black Flash has never made contact with Limitless a single time in canon(Which is the entire point of what people are telling you considering if Limitless can stop weaker people from hitting him at all, how can they feasibly get into the zone to hit him with a Black Flash from the start?) and we'll get to the next one in a bit.

You are the one who literally stated that Black Flash can "distort space" and it "can't punch through Limitless", others are stating Black Flash was never in that situation to see if that's the case. You are doing a textbook Fallacy to then believe that if Black Flash(and another ability) can't do it despite never being shown to interact, Enuma Elish cannot.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/saber-alter-fate-vs-this-jujutsu-kaisen-team-jjk.1161963/page-2?post=101256204#post-101256204

And HERE WE GO! An ability a character has that has never interacted with Gojo ONCE has never been stated to be a weakness to Limitless, despite that not even being remotely relevant when she was around means that somehow, someway, Sky Manipulation cannot counter Limitless...

JJK fanboys are a whole ass new breed of stupid.

Wow, guy finally used his brain... it's just too bad that was only for the Binding Vow version of World Dismantle, meaning we can't even legit tell if the "spammable" versions can actually cut through Limitless either...

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/saber-alter-fate-vs-this-jujutsu-kaisen-team-jjk.1161963/page-2?post=101256312#post-101256312

I know it's hard for an SB'er to do this but it's called critical thinking, use it sometime...
If an attack can block an esoteric attack despite it not being an esoteric attack... maybe it's strong enough to be able to overpower said esoteric attack? Just a crazy thought.

His question was straightforward and obvious as fuck.

No, Maki can destroy a Domain Expansion because Heavenly Restriction Users literally say fuck off to most of the rules of Jujutsu Kaisen. This is not a distinction without a difference.

Maybe... it's due to how Limitless works or something?

Nah, can't be that, it's somehow "Muh Spatial Shit is stronger than yours". Reading Comprehension is a lost art.

Bruh

First he says the first is a strawman, then proceed to do something that the first point actually talk about. That you "likely need" an attack that cuts space not warp space, which is what criticized by the first point. He said the first point is a strawman and proceed to prove the first point actually is what being argued. This people...

Tablos said:
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/saber-alter-fate-vs-this-jujutsu-kaisen-team-jjk.1161963/page-3
Sullynathan is so high in the sperg spectrum that even The World is against him

Yeah wtf normally I am against The World but man, I sympathize with this guy in this moment, the other guy's way of arguing is just...logically wrong.

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