alexander082006
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man, i am giving them a 10 for that introduction, and the joke is also a 10, and i will give them a 100 if the fight ends on a draw.
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man, i am giving them a 10 for that introduction, and the joke is also a 10, and i will give them a 100 if the fight ends on a draw.
It really just comes down to if they give Kyle the Life Equation or not imo
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No please don't do my stick boys like this. At least wait till TCO remembers his powers
AcidSoup
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Idk, between Akron, Godcat, and Devourer, Matt and his gang could probably take Tohou.
alexander082006
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you mean the second coming right?
alexander082006
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also where do the Becker verse characters scale?
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I have only watched up to the end of the Orange King arc, but aren't most characters not that strong unless they a Master Block of some sort. TSC was ridiculously strong when he awakened and I heard that the other side series make him do crazy stuff, but it is non-canon?
AcidSoup
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The final bosses (and the glitch) along with the party could maybe take on some of the top tiers individually, but Marisa is too overwhelming, since at the end of 100th Black Market (Touhou 18.5), Marisa now owns every single ability card from TH 18 and 18.5, which combined with her speed, strength, and preexisting ability selection before then is too much to handle more often than not
I don't recall Tohou being able to tango with a being who could create multiple universes on a whim, delete things from reality, and breach his reality into ours.
The Party not only take down universe-killers, they manage to resist the reality deletion of the Devourer. Not perfectly but enough to also deal enough damage he fucks off to our dimension (because he wants to kill the creator of the games lmao)
alexander082006
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yes, it is not canon, i made a post on reddit where Alan mentions that AVE is not part of the same universe
AcidSoup
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Yeah so about that. Assuming you take in the main universe, Snowflake being from a different universe, then consider the arcade machines as their own universes (being generous), and get even more generous with the void that the glitch is in during EBF 5, you clock in at 15 universes (Akron is stuck at multi solar system though unless Bullet Heaven 3 brings him back yet again and it takes place after EBF 5).
On Touhou's end, you have various different realms like heaven, its own parts, hell, its own sub parts (like the aninmal realm), makai, the sanzu river, the netherworld, (near all realms are referred to as infinite in size. some exceptions exist), the universe itself, and the dream world (a reflection of reality, or everything. Doremy Sweet uses dream souls as a basic attack in danmaku battles, for note). There's also Merry in a more interpretation based way saying "countless worlds beyond" (in the context of what "the world we humans observe" being what those worlds in question are beyond) exist. Another thing is the million different infinite speed feats in Touhou which is a headache. There's lastly the biggest headache of who scales to what, but to skip to what was said earlier, Marisa does scale above Doremy
There are some ways for the EBF top tiers to put down some Touhou top tiers but the most reliable way is The Devourer's erasure (and instant death attacks having a chance to bypass resistance using EBF logic), but even then, he only does that when he's starting to struggle, and there's plenty of statements for yokai coming back from complete nothingness and some feats regarding this (Kasen Ibaraki and Yuuma Toutetsu have reformed partial and complete erasure of body and soul, specifically, Kasen's arm being instantly erased by Reimu's yin yang orb then recovering the part of her spiritual self wiped with it, and Yuuma returning eventually after Flandre's complete erasure that was said to include her soul respectively)
In summary the EBF side has an overall disadvantage even with ways to win and the Touhou side has more of an advantage
Nothing in Tohou can actually destroy the planet they're on, much less the universe at large. While its cosmology could arguably higher, no one actually does anything to meaningfully affect said cosmology. Humanity finding out about Gensokyo is considered an existential threat to its existence, for that matter.
They have a lot of hax but they're so far below EBF it just doesn't matter.
They have a lot of hax but they're so far below EBF it just doesn't matter.
AcidSoup
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"Nothing in Touhou can actually destroy the-" Hey wait don't do that
Flandre Scarlet can threaten destruction of the infinite sanzu river (Presumably through her power of destruction)
Suika Ibuki not only shatters the 1:1 moon replica in Heaven, but the Heaven's too, and called it "a bit of a threat" (She grew in size to do this, however, her size increase does not make her stronger, as it is just "dispersion" she does to herself)
Yukari messing with the border between life and death (netherworld and everything else), human and yokai (conceptual as per how her boundary manipulation really can be referred to as and context), and the great hakurei barrier itself (separates Gensokyo from "The Outside World", which is just our world from various statements and even how it is shown in the fighting games and talked about by Sumireko). For note, this is done in Perfect Cherry Blossom, her introduction to the franchise
Toyosatomimi no Miko collapses Kaguya Houraisan's infinite corridor (using a hermit art. The corridor has been called endless and infinite so many different times from Touhou 8 onwards)
Hong Meiling, an average yokai with only a portion of her energy robbed now has the giant catfish able to shake the earth and disintegrate the surface of the earth (She contends with the catfish temporarily even when weakened)
That is 5 feats only and there are plenty more
AcidSoup
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I should add in that Yukari in specific has this go on all the time, did that for shits and giggles, and in the very next game her .txt profile says she could destroy Gensokyo. She has so many different things going on that you could make a respect thread rather than just add it to a thread for a series. She even merged Gensokyo and the Netherworld in Touhou 7 / Perfect Cherry Blossom (Ignore Youmu saying Reimu tore it open, this is before the Phantasm stage with Yukari)
Other thing but to address, but "Humanity finding out about Gensokyo is considered an existential threat to its existence, for that matter." is because the whole point of Gensokyo is to cut off all fantasy existences from the outside world as the rise of science made faith weaker. So since the gods and yokai live off of faith and belief, they make use of humans in Gensokyo upholding belief to preserve their selves. This is why Suwako Moriya and Kanako Yasaka moved out of the outside world
Other thing but to address, but "Humanity finding out about Gensokyo is considered an existential threat to its existence, for that matter." is because the whole point of Gensokyo is to cut off all fantasy existences from the outside world as the rise of science made faith weaker. So since the gods and yokai live off of faith and belief, they make use of humans in Gensokyo upholding belief to preserve their selves. This is why Suwako Moriya and Kanako Yasaka moved out of the outside world
The only thing in here that's an actual usable feat is the moon shattering thing, which while impressive isnt actually planet level.
Flandre and the catfish are them talking big, Yukari is hax, and so is the Taoist spell thing since she's specifically messing with the dimensional spell and not collapsing it through brute force.
This is all still just hax. Messing with boundaries is neat and all but doesn't really help against people who can delete entire universes
Last I heard the OLF had Tohou cap out around star level stats wise, and as good as their hax is it doesn't measure to "multiversal reality warper"