Optimus Prime 654
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@Thirteen prime @OtherGalaxy is TFWiki a reliable source? Since I see many TF scalers using it and they say the wiki has canon information in it
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it's a series of in-depth summaries written by passionate fans but it's not canon in any way aside from their full Ask Vector Prime transcripts.
Is it reliable? Yes, but it should never be used over the actual stories. As one example we were talking about a week ago, they don't have Alpha Trion listed as a member of the Multiversal 13, even though he's confirmed to be one when Vector talks about Trion's higher wave form unifying all Alpha Trions. Or how they have their own complex reasons for not considering Alignment canon, even though AVP officialized it.
It's an amazing resource we're extremely lucky to have, but what its users write isn't actually canon or published by hasbro/takara at the end of the day.
Optimus Prime 654
Paramount
When I was scrolling over Earth Wars, they said Vector Prime, Nova Prime and Alpha's tie-in story arc was a run-up for Age of the Primes which there are half chances there is a offical source saying it, but makes sense since there was a Legacy event going on in that game and plus in 2025 upcoming characters, the Armada characters are gonna be representations of their Legacy and Age of the Primes toys.
I mean sure that makes sense but without any actual confirmation they're just speculating and even if it were absolutely true it doesn't really have any bearing on Earth Wars' story or lore, we can just take the story dialogue at face value
Optimus Prime 654
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Vector Prime was the final release before Legacy ended and makes sense tbh since we got like three members of the Thirteen in Legacy. Considering the fact the AOTP Vector at the pantheon before the figure's final release seems to be heavily styled after his Legacy toy. Also the Thirteen's stuff were added in Earth Wars ever since AOTP was announced iirc.
Optimus Prime 654
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@OtherGalaxy if Vector's story arc and 2024's year for Earth Wars was indeed a run up for AOTP, then ig now there are 14 members lmfao
there could be more given the weird trion/solomus stuff either that or it's a direct confirmation of the multiple identities thing and therefore there might only be 13 but we'll never be able to figure out what the actual roster is lol
Optimus Prime 654
Paramount
I think Star Optimus = Autonomus since both are The Arisen, but one is a Optimus reincarnation and one is basically the Last Autobot
I don't remember Autonomous ever being confirmed as an/the Arisen, where'd you get that from?
Optimus Prime 654
Paramount
I mean from the looks of it, he is visually. Primus created him as the last autobot, he is the 13th and gave him a measure of his power. Autonomus iirc was set as the "chosen one" in issue 79 of US publishing iirc. He even revived Optimus as an Action Master
grillmaster
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its not confirmed to my knowledge but i wish it was because i like the idea of the last autobot being the thirteenth prime/the matrix of leadership
Optimus Prime 654
Paramount
The Halo of Primus unites all the 12 primes' powers into one and the Thirteenth was whoever the Matrix is.
The power itself was stated to create universes
The power itself was stated to create universes
grillmaster
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infinite knowledge alpha trion 
Optimus Prime 654
Paramount
The Transformers' Mufasainfinite knowledge alpha trion
Thirteen prime
Acclaimed
incredibly weird that this game has english voice acting was was only released in japan
Optimus Prime 654
Paramount
@OtherGalaxy the Star Saber scales to the Time-vortex right?
it already had statements of destroying the multiverse which is more or less the same scale the time vortex operates on. The only difference is the latter required more prep from Nova so the Saber's still "better" but they're in the same bracket I guess you could say
Thirteen prime
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We don't even know what the time vortex is, other than the titans passively generate it.
Thirteen prime
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The Japanese canon is too complex for an unprepared person.