You have to @, not #; I would have never seen this message if it weren't for the fact that my eyes are all over the place :skully Unless a mod closes this thread, let's keep the insults and trolling to a minimum everyone, irregardless of how you feel about shiny and this thread. From my understanding, this is a debate section and it should function as much with the forum rules still applying to all threads created here. On the other hand, shiny, you should know that the OBD does not take too kindly to topics that will obviously trigger more than a debate given how much this topic is discussed and it's sensitive nature.