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I ended up looking through the Case Files manga again so might as well post some feats. 11-year-old Olga destroys some of Child of Einnashe. Flat uses chaos magecraft on Touko's cat destroying some trees in the process. Atrum knocks Byron through a few trees with his magecraft. another version of Saber vs Iskandar I guess. Gray, Yvette, and Karabo versus Child of Einnashe.

eh fair enough I guess.

how strong is Voyager in FGO? never read his event and his servant sheet doesn't really paint a clear picture.

was going to say that you shouldn't use articles from 2022 for a feat taking place in 2015 but then I discovered that phones at that point already had 1+ GHz lmao.

fair I guess I'm generally against characters getting abilities that they themselves haven't performed and I shouldn't be a hypocrite here. also I'm pretty sure this isn't your intention but it sounds like you're implying Artoria Instinct = Shiki/Shirou/Kire precog(or whatever I should call it) which feels so wrong lmao. I'm aware I just phrased that poorly (in my defense I haven't slept for like 21 hours). yeah it's just arguing schematics at that point. anyway I should probably head to bed now.

I mean I wasn't claiming that they would be able to see through it.. just that they could deal with It (probably via sensing intentions in the same vein as Kirei, Shirou, and Shiki do). and yeah I'm aware that the nasuverse has different potencies of invisibility (Li Shuwen's bs comes to mind) but I'm pretty sure cleave is just baseline anyway so I didn't bother mentioning it in my original post. on a side note has presence concealment ever been straight up referred to as invisibility? cuz from what I recall it's always been treated as freakishly good stealth... tho tbf at a certain point stealth just becomes invisibility in fiction lol.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/minamoto-no-raikou-fate-grand-order-vs-sukuna-jujutsu-kaisen.1128422/ do people not realize that the idea that servants wouldn't be able to deal with invisibility is literally setting breakings levels of dumb? in Mahoyo concealment magecraft is introduced which is just straight up invisibility and is apparently considered "elementary magecraft". Point is that if servants can't deal with invisibility why didn't Madea cast it on Kuzuki? or why didn't Kayneth cast it on Diarmuid? I'm sure there are other/better examples but you get the point. there's also a ability very similar to cleave in the nasuverse in the form of Fortes magecraft which servants haven't interacted with but there is no way in hell they would struggle against it. like that's just from the top of my head... sometimes SB literally causes me headaches...

wait is your main argument that mystic eyes of distortion are of the "highest rank"? cuz if so similar terminology has been used for mystic eyes of petrification which are only jewel ranked.

oh lol.

no apparently it's this girl and yeah it might not refer to power levels in hindsight.

the Lord's are specifically not Grand mage tho. as for how strong they are they scale above Gray and Co. at least some of the other Lords scale to this too. edit: wait who is Magdanel?

no problem :) might as well post some other stuff seeing as I have the raws downloaded. 1.Fakers np seemingly splits some clouds (another shot of the same scene). 2.Gray seemingly dodges some lightning. I'm adding seemingly cuz I haven't read volume four of the LN so I'm not sure if I'm missing context.

^ here you can find raws for the case files manga if you ever feel like looking through it volume 11 hasn't been added yet though (I think it released only a few days ago so it will likely be added at a later point) also hi! I guess I'm not a lurker on the site anymore.