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Hate be the party pooper but as I said previously, let's keep this discussion civil and quit slugging insults around. If this thread is triggering anyone in some way, just ignore it and move on. For the record, I won't keep repeating myself especially about the mass amounts of insults that keeps coming up when people here don't agree with other members in a debate section of all places. Respect the wishes of OP or at least the generic forum rules or don't post in this thread at all, it's that simple. Next time I won't be so nice about it. Thank you.

You have to @, not #; I would have never seen this message if it weren't for the fact that my eyes are all over the place :skully Unless a mod closes this thread, let's keep the insults and trolling to a minimum everyone, irregardless of how you feel about shiny and this thread. From my understanding, this is a debate section and it should function as much with the forum rules still applying to all threads created here. On the other hand, shiny, you should know that the OBD does not take too kindly to topics that will obviously trigger more than a debate given how much this topic is discussed and it's sensitive nature.