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Yeah. They retconned the four galaxy thing and now its like four superclusters of galaxies. We could calculate the size if we could find that Toriyama statement. But I don't think it would matter much in this debate. DBS characters are so high on the universal scale that they eclipse most others in the same tier. I'm also 99% sure the multipliers in SM are significantly lower compared to DBS; and in addition they are multiplying from base universal.

Databooks are just teasing these days Would have to say that its contradicted by the canon then.

This seems like a case of flowery language to me. It dances around the concept of infinity, which it should just outright say. (you could try and check the raw japanese to see if the kanji are different. Translations can matter in these types of situations) Plus, if the universe was infinite, how can they travel by ship to universe six?

Sailor Cosmos, Lambda Usagi, and Sailor Chaos via scaling should be superior then. High Universal+ on a static universe model. Galaxia, Eternal SM, and everybody else remains outclassed heavily in the stat departments.

Another interesting change. The "lighting up the universe" calc is now null and void. Both the Kodansha and Eternal volumes reference it as spreading across just the galaxy. Crazy how the fan translations use "universe" explicitly there, but not in any of the other more important feats / statements. ...Now I'm curious what lighting up the milky way galaxy will come out as. 🤔

So you're referring to that one statement of Universe 7 being endless? Cause that's the only time I think they've used that language. Can't remember exactly where they said it though. So they are finite universes?

Is universe 7 infinite or finite? I recall only the World of Void being the former, but we don't accept that as a feat apparently?

Does this put the two characters in question at the high end of Universe+? I think we were using baseline universal up until now.

Out of curiosity, I've been looking into the Eternal Edition translations of the manga. It's the definitive english translation. And boy does it specify some things a lot better Link It states pretty clearly that the lambda power restores everything to a static universe. @Nevermind Does this change things? :hm Should only scale to Sailor Cosmos / Lambda Usagi

That's what I thought too. But there is this particular frame that I think is where they're basing it from. You can see several galaxies enveloped by the pink light. Seems like just background to me. But its being used to justify quadrillions times mftl. Galaxia scales to universal I think. The holy grail contained all of the scouts power. Including Chibiusa and Mamoru's Link Link (So two silver crystals and the golden crystal) This is what allows her to transform into her eternal form. Galaxia actually destroys the same holy grail while only in Civilian form. Link Her sailor crystal is also > the silver crystal in DC according to statement And then all of the members of Shadow Galactica receive their powers directly from Galaxia too. They were able to compete with the eternal senshi, who are all galaxy+ individually

Very much so. But in this case, Galaxia isn't using any kind of existence erasure or soul destruction (which Beerus has by default, if I'm assuming how ee works correctly). She is stealing the person's soul. Which Beerus hasn't shown resistance too. Doesn't change anything though. His DC and Speed are superior.

I wanna update them, but I don't even know what's appropriate anymore lmao. We don't even have profiles for the anime versions yet. Multi-solar system level for sure. Galaxia's battle with the starlights were creating massive explosions all across the milk way. But what's weird is I've seen claims for universal and hell even multiversal anime SM. Which is what gave me the idea for this thread. There is also an original video game that has a somewhat solid multiversal feat. Villain fucking up a tower that held all of the timelines or something like that. Idek know if it can be scaled to the anime even at that. What do you make of this? VSB uses it to justify quadrillions mftl+ anime Sailor Moon. Here is the scene too for better context.

So you concede that she can resist hakai too? Since they are all one concept as you claim. :kobeha I didn't know Beerus had the eighth sense. Must have missed that arc. He drains life energy, so probably not. Galaxia specifically takes your soul. She can even do it on a planetary scale. (In the final episodes, she is extracting star seeds from all of the humans on earth)

DC has always been in Beerus' favor. :hestonpls

You can't necessarily take one application of a general ability and use it to assume a character can do another similar. I could technically use that same logic to say that Galaxia outright resists Hakai since she resisted her own soul hax. But that would be dump, because she resisted having her soul stolen; not being destroyed. Beerus can resist existence destruction, which includes soul erasure, but he has not shown the ability to resist soul theft. This hax is also based on magic and not ki. You're right. My bad. It's a little complicated. In the manga, star seeds are not souls. They are more like an informational seed for your being. Souls exist separately along with the physical body and both cease to exist when it is removed / stolen. (tldr; Its really, really meta) Beerus actually should resist the destruction effect in the manga. I don't think that's being debated. But for the anime, its just simply soul theft. The body still exists but turns into a soulless monster...

They are both independent abilities. The latter of which Beerus has never demonstrated. Honestly, star seed rip in the anime has nothing to really do with existence erasure anyway. It's straight up soul theft.

From my understanding, the anime is much simpler. Star seeds = Souls. Stealing one from a human turns their bodies into a 'monster' under Galaxia's control, but stealing one from a scout causes their bodies to cease to exist altogether Galaxia herself is directly immune to this hax. She removed her own star seed willfully, and somehow managed to continue existing without one. (This doesn't make her immune to Hakai since her physical body can still be destroyed. But it's something to note) Beerus however, should not be immune to her hax in this situation. It steals, not destroys, which the latter is what Beerus scales to via Frieza resisting Hakai energy.

Hakai = soul destruction Star seed rip = soul theft Soul stealing is a completely different hax.

Galaxia is probably much faster. She has a phenomenal pure speed feat. Link But she may be even faster if this can be accepted. Link Another debatable feat is eternal sailor moon creating an alternate reality for Queen Nehellenia where she could star over Link Around 20:00 I've also seen claims about Nehellenia's mirror worlds being entire universes. But I haven't checked it out yet. So its dubious. Just worth noting.

Can he resist soul stealing?